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Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
I was perusing around tvtropes.org and came across the Space Friction trope on the FreeSpace page (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Freespace). I was wondering if the Space Friction trope was averted because the engines in FreeSpace allowed you to go in reverse. It's been a long while since I've played FS2, having started college and bought a few new games. So, my question is do FreeSpace engines allow you to go backwards?

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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
Nope, space friction is alive and well. Without engines any object that starts moving (such as from a collision, or weapons fire) will eventually come to a stop.
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
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Are a few factors managing it.
I'm not sure how MOI affects them yet.

I was a bit dissappointed that there doesn't seem to be any retro affects for thrusters or controls though.

 
Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
It's interesting that the key for slowing down is called 'reverse thrust' in the key settings menu though.

 

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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
It's interesting that the key for slowing down is called 'reverse thrust' in the key settings menu though.

Ships can go in reverse using that key. It's a setting in the tables.
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
In theory.

In practice, no canonical FS ship has ever demonstrated such an ability. From a storyline standpoint, they've all got their drives on the rear end, and they're reaction drives, so they shouldn't be able to.
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
Okay, so the trope holds, for now.

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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
You can make them go backwards if you make a model for it...in fact, you could almost make a FPS like UT (except in space) if you used the right values. Collision would be a small problem I think, unless there are values for that as well.
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
I once tried to get the Colossus to go backwards, first by only setting a backwards speed, which didn't work, and then by turning the model around. That didn't work either, since I didn't do it properly (since I didn't really know how to do it properly :( ).

*imagines the Collie moving backwards with the constant BEEP BEEP BEEP sounds as heard from cargo vehicles*

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Only the sound worked properly. :headz: Gah!

 

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FSO 3.6.11? :)
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
I always thought that, in space, an object will maintain the same velocity forever.

And then I played Freelancer and killed the engines. :D
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
it might be a useful feature to have around for mods that may require it.
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
Pretty sure Backslash already did this for us at FringeSpace and BTRL.
He modified the reverse key to go in reverse as stated I do believe.
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
Yeah it does work, but it doesn't have a thruster value for thruster plumes that I'm aware of.
I haven't  really looked into it very far though.

 
Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
Most StarFuries in TBP allow you to go backwards if you hold down Z (or whatever key you've assigned to reverse thrust) once you've bled off your forward momentum. I can't recall properly but Joshua may have achieved the same thing in his RealFlight mods.

 
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
In theory.

In practice, no canonical FS ship has ever demonstrated such an ability. From a storyline standpoint, they've all got their drives on the rear end, and they're reaction drives, so they shouldn't be able to.


On the flipside they shouldn't come to a complete stop when they cut their engines either, but they do.
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
I always thought that, in space, an object will maintain the same velocity forever.

And then I played Freelancer and killed the engines. :D

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In theory, yes. Although there are various particles hitting your ship, which will stop it someday. Not counting the infinite range of gravitation. So, even in space, Perpetuum Mobile = Bull****.
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Re: Do Engines Allow Ships to Go Backwards?
don't you mean perpetual momentum = Bull****
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No. He meant Latin.
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