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What would you call the leader of a battlegroup? Would that be admiral and the leader of the fleet Grand Admiral/ Commodore? And what would you call the leader of a destroyer? I was thinking commander but aren't some pilots also commanders?
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Well.. sorta depends on the rank structure of the service you are referring to. Commanding officer of fs2 style destroyer (ie. large capital ship) could quite likely be captain (assuming us/nato naval designations).
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A four star admiral is most likely in charge of each region, with lower grade admirals (vice/rear up/lower half) being in charge of the fleets and and the task forces within those fleets.
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Well, "Admiral" Aken Bosch was the former commander of the 6th fleet so I assume you could just call it "Admiral".

 

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Well.. dunno if its common habit elsewhere but in finnish army/navy all generals (be they brigadier, lieutenant, major, or full generals) are referred as 'general' and same goes for the admiral ranks so full, vice, rear, flotilla (finnish specialty ~ commodore elsewhere) are all referred to as 'admiral'.
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I'd expect that every fleet would have at least one destroyer with an Admiral at the helm, making them fleet leader.  If there were more than 1 destroyer, then seniority would dictate leadership.  If it was made up of Cruisers and Corvettes, if there were no Admirals,  then I'd expect leadership would be at least Commander, and possibly Commodore.
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No no no, at least commodore. Commanders lead squadrons and play XO.
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I'd expect that every fleet would have at least one destroyer with an Admiral at the helm, making them fleet leader.  If there were more than 1 destroyer, then seniority would dictate leadership.  If it was made up of Cruisers and Corvettes, if there were no Admirals,  then I'd expect leadership would be at least Commander, and possibly Commodore.
You do know that rank of naval captain is senior to that of commanders rank? Commander -> Captain -> Commodore/Flotilla Admiral/Rear Admiral (lower ranked) -> Rear Admiral (the rest)

In freespace it seems admirals are commanding individual ships but this probably means that for example Petrarch is not a full admiral but something tad lower ranked or then that the he commands the whole bunch of ships among which is the GTD Aquitaine. Also its kinda useful to notice that even if there would be admiral onboard the ships commanding officer is still the one in command aboard his ship.
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Maybe the civilian politicians on the Security Council control the fleets directly, but are advised by the admirals?

(ehh, stupid idea)

  

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It's not clear whether an Admiral is both fleet commander and direct commander of their destroyer. We know for example that Petrarch is a rear admiral, and that he commands 3rd Fleet. However it's never mentioned whether he commands the Aquitaine directly or not, and the existence of anyone else who does is also never mentioned. The practice of giving a flag-rank officer direct command of a major warship is historically very unusual, but not unheard of. On the other hand, a fleet is a permanent institution, not ad-hoc like a task force where the most senior officer present would be given command, and common sense dictates giving overall command to an officer who is not burdened by the concerns of fighting his own ship. We're also never really directly informed of whether lesser vessels have literal Captains or merely figurative ones (article of faith in most navies; the CO is The Captain, regardless of rank, when aboard ship).

I tend to believe that cruisers commanded by Lieutenant Commanders, sometimes Lieutenants for older ones or under unusual circumstances, sometimes full Commanders for more advanced models. Corvettes are commanded by Commanders, occasionally by very junior Captains. A destroyer has a Captain in direct overall command, probably another commanding the aerospace group, and perhaps even one or two more (most likely, engineering and weapons). Installations like the Arcadia, and planetside facilities, may be Captain's or Admiral's postings, depending on their importance. Admirals command fleets, systems, or regional commands.

Of course, I can't prove a word of that.
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Isn't Petrarch an Admiral and not a Rear Admiral?
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Isn't Petrarch an Admiral and not a Rear Admiral?
Petrarch is a full Admiral...

 

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Koth is the Rear Admiral, and he commands both the NTD Repulse and the NTF 6th fleet.
We know THAT too.
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Koth is the Rear Admiral, and he commands both the NTD Repulse and the NTF 6th fleet.
Please verify that claim...

 

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Koth is the Rear Admiral, and he commands both the NTD Repulse and the NTF 6th fleet.
We know THAT too.

Maybe because the NTF doesn't have a massive fleet and there's more space in the highest echelon for Rear Admirals...

EDIT: Yeah, what's this NTF 6th Fleet?!?
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EDIT: Yeah, what's this NTF 6th Fleet?!?

I'm pretty sure it's fanon.

 

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How can the NTF have 6 fleets? :wtf:
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How can the NTF have 6 fleets? :wtf:
Unless all of them were tiny it'd be impossible...