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Offline Black Wolf

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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
I don't know what relevance this will have for anyone else, but for TI's atmospheric missions we're adopting the idea that while any small GTVA ship can be adapted for atmospheric flight, they preferentially try to equip the more aerodynamic ships like the Uly and Valk. And if your fighter hasn't been properly equipped for atmospheric (or more properly gravity well flight I suppose) you plummet.
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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
Gravity repulsion isn't that simple or we'd have it by now.

Why?  We don't have artificial gravity, if we did, anti-gravity would be very easy to achieve.
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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
Gravity repulsion isn't that simple or we'd have it by now.

By that logic we should also have shield, 2km destroyers, beam cannons and powerful plasma, xazer and meson based weaponry.
And we should have colonized half the galaxy.


Regardless, it's CANON that big, blocky, unaerodynamical things can fly in atmosphere. Since it doesn't make sense to divide your fighters/bombers into specialized space/atmospheric roles when you can have both it is very unlikely that only a few select FS fighters/bombers can fly in-atmosphere.
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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
Whether it's 'canon' or not that fighters/bombers/transports are atmosphere-capable, the fact remains that we could just have New Powers As The Plot Demands.

As in if someone makes a campaign and wants a Ursa/Argo/Elysium/Fenris or whatever to be atmosphere capable, they can have that.

 

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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
The only Shivan craft which appear to be capable of atmospheric flight are the SC Cain and SD Lucifer.

This is, of course, assuming that the removed cutscene of the SD Lucifer arriving at Tombaugh Station is canon, and that Tombaugh Station is located on a planet with an atmosphere.

I wonder how the Shivans themselves will fare in an atmosphere. We already know that they can jump very well in space, as per the supersecret ST cutscene where a Shivan jumped onto a Thoth and crashed it into a Typhon.
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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
Tombaugh was a space station like Riviera.

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Debris from the station is still falling from orbit on Ribos 4
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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
I wonder how the Shivans themselves will fare in an atmosphere. We already know that they can jump very well in space, as per the supersecret ST cutscene where a Shivan jumped onto a Thoth and crashed it into a Typhon.

I think they will just burn up and die from friction if they aren't equipped with some sort of uber armour in an Earth-like atmosphere.
<Does anyone agree with me that Shivans don't have respiratory systems?>

 

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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
Yeah, I don't think they have respiratory systems. In the bible, it is said that they can "suck space" (in a sense). :nervous:
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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
It's sort of strange - if they don't have respiratory systems, they can't eat so they are as good as robots. Perhaps they just don't need oxygen to respire . . . which is weird.

 

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1 by apocrapha - i mean some one from  gave this in a spoken statment, with no written record. This is unlike the Talnia system...That system is Canon...just like the isle of avalon, no-one knows where it is. The generally agreed upon location is Sheer speculation, unless that legendary Pre-Release node map turns up again.

The transports and Freighters mentioned in the deleated Cut-scenes are not given a class. These cut-scenes were canned at an early stage in development, so the ships were never given a definite class. Anyone who says that they did have a specific class is telling porkies...

Wow, never heard of cutscenes that had new ships in them, that was cannon. And i never heard of those two locations that were spoken about from :V:.

Can you provide more info on how to view the cutscenes and more about what :V: said with the new locations?
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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
The cuscenes i refer to were never made - they exist only as scripts in the FSReference Bible which is is questionable canonicity. However there are remennts of these scenes.

The Fall of Vasuda Prime and the Lucifer at Ribos only exist canonically as Command briefing ani.
The Barfight between pair of terrans and a pair of Vasudans only exists as a secret movie on the Silent Threat CD of a single Zod beating on a Terran.
And terran news broadcasters only exist canonically as still images in the Credits.

The cut-scenes scripts in the RefBible refer to ship flying within the atmosphere. However the scripts never mention which class these ships are. Also, since these cutscenes were canned, their canonicity is questionable.

Sofar as im aware, the only ship shown to canonically be capable of atmospheric flight is the Satis. A bunch more ships can be seen in the Fall of Vasuda Prime briefing ani, but they are too small to be identified.

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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
I think the Horus is also capable of atmospheric flight. :nervous:
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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
Yeah, I don't think they have respiratory systems. In the bible, it is said that they can "suck space" (in a sense). :nervous:

But there's nothing TO suck in space, unless of course you mean the particles etc

OR

Do Shivans feed of nebulae gas?

 

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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
But there's nothing TO suck in space, unless of course you mean the particles etc
Yes, there is a lot of hydrogen hanging around in space (relatively), maybe they suck that in?

 

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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
But there's nothing TO suck in space, unless of course you mean the particles etc
Yes, there is a lot of hydrogen hanging around in space (relatively), maybe they suck that in?

But wouldn't that be too sparse to actually... suck?

 

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Yes it would, you'd be lucky to have twenty atoms of it per cubic meter.

 

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Re: Atmospheric craft - FreeSpace 1 era. . . . What do we know?
Well they're lucky that space is seemingly infinite. ;7