[KillMeNow]

incase you forget that super star destroyer has sheilds its about 45 times the size of the sath and has ample firepower to chew it to peices one broadside and that pathetic little sath would die painfully

the empire rules

and besides thats the executor and Darth Vader is on board he could swat the ship with the force alonea nd tie interceptors are more than a match for shivan fighters and lets not forget SSD can carry i think its 144 fighters and being as its a top of the line vessel and its some time after Darth Vader was cloned (hehe thinking into the future here) its carrying 144 tie defenders

and just to put the point across according to han solo there are hundreds of command ships he might have said thousands i cant remember exactly and the empire has death stars hmm and sun crushers one sun crusher would accelerate up to lightspeed ona  collision cource witha  sath and punch striaght through killing it - death star would just vape it in one shot

arghhh the empire would slaughter the shivans

[deep_eyes]

Originally posted by KillMeNow


just a quick little render hehe the shivans make there first serious mistake

LOL......... tru tru.... but the SSD is like 17km lol...... sathanas will yeild to the true dark side. lol..................

it would be nice to see what the Protoss would do if being attacked by Shivans or if it was a Gundam'ish (Wing series) fight the shivans.

[Styxx]

Hah, this is turning into a Vs Debate! Run!

Now, seriously, there's not way any imperial ship could stand against it's Freespace equivalent. Too much of a firepower difference.

[KillMeNow]

dont be silly man - a ssd can slag planets shes carrying over 1000 guns each of which that can instantly slag fighters to vapour not even just bits but to vapour modified turbo laser is what the death star is lest you forget and it blew a planet into little little chunks the shivans dont have the power to do that nope turbo lasers are hundreds of times more power than shivan lasers - heavy turbo lasers are as power as beams even though they dont fire conituiously  and they have 1000's of them would chew a sath to bits in seconds its beams probally would never have even powered up

[Thorn]

no, the Shivans just blow up stars, taking all the planets in the immediate vicinity with it...

[KillMeNow]

another point why does everyone assume the freespace ship have such good weapons? they have beams but there is little evidence they are that great - federation phasers can dig down thousands of meters into planets in seconds and when the shields go down without ablative armour the ships are destroyed imediately - nope i would say that freespace tech is behind star trek - star wars - and b5

[Unknown Target]

well, I mean, jeez, the HC has only four ion cannons, and how many does a corvette have??
FS would kick HW ass all the way back to Hiigarra;)
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm a big fan of HW.

[KillMeNow]

argh need i remind you that the empire can blow up stars too and witha  ship the size ofa  fighter that has armour that could indefinatly withstand a shivan assult by 10,000 saths

[Galemp]

maybe the Imperials can get Shivan fighter shield technology...

[KillMeNow]

why would they need it they already have shields just ties generally are built purely for speed and agaility but the tie defender has hyperdrive -  shields - speed in agitily even the interceptor cant compete with and carrys 4 laser cannons and 2 ion cannons and can carry 8 proton torpedos

and this says its all

http://www.killmenow.barrysworld.net/deathstar.wav

[Styxx]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
another point why does everyone assume the freespace ship have such good weapons?

The Harbinger has a 5 Gigaton payload, the Helios has more than double that, and any heavy beam is even stronger. Except for the superlaser, no Star Wars weapon gets close...

[KillMeNow]

dear god man - death star blew away a planet into litlle asteroids tht pinged off the hull fo the milenium falcon and - star trek torpedos are 25 isotons and quatoms torps 52 isoton  and an isoton is billions of gigatons

[Nico]

bah, KMN, seriously, a small lucifer is able to clean a whole planet in a few hours... imagine what can do the sathanas btw, 6 km isn't 45 times smaller than 17 km
also, a simple corvette can stand a direct AM bomb impact, so your turbo lasers, the sathanas would laugh at it
Oh, and beams goes through shields, and SW ones are damn crappy, you gotta admit: 3 shots on a XWing, and babye shields, so... SW fighters have the crappiest missiles ever, too. the ion torpedoes can match with an harbinger or an helios.  the empire has hundreds of SSD? Solo states dozens of them, not hundereds
anyway, you see one at a time. on one spot, you see 80 sathanas at a time. Empire= no match for the shivans.

[KillMeNow]

proton torpedos are also far more  powerfuli n in freespace its just like thermal detonators they have a blast radius everythign within it is destroyed but 1 inch out of the blast radius and your safe also the suncrusher carrys torpedos that can blow up stars

dear god people star wars tech is far more refined and powerful

[KillMeNow]

estimates on fleet size of the empire is i bleve 25,000 isd's alone they had 38 deathstars in contruction but they were destroyed there are star destroyers that have the firepower destroya  planet all by themselves - suncrushers - death stars - very large starships capaible of blowing up planet and afew hours is moer than it would need for a SSD to render a planet totally uninhabitable

nope in freespace they cant even generate sheilding to cover a whole ship

[Styxx]

* whistles *

[Thorn]

The HW ships could take on the empire

[KillMeNow]

argh my key board is bust =( my number keep getting messed up 8 keeps appear as 38 when i use the keys above the letters

so only 8 death stars

[Nico]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
estimates on fleet size of the empire is i bleve 25,000 isd's alone they had 38 deathstars in contruction but they were destroyed there are star destroyers that have the firepower destroya  planet all by themselves - suncrushers - death stars - very large starships capaible of blowing up planet and afew hours is moer than it would need for a SSD to render a planet totally uninhabitable

nope in freespace they cant even generate sheilding to cover a whole ship

What are you talking about? a ion torpedo is crap, you need dozens of that to destroy a crappy isd in SW. for shidels: Lucifer. for big ships destroying planets: Lucifer (and lol, it's a small ship compared to your SSD). to destroy stars: Sathanas. And you refer to unofficial stuff. I can make up a novel where the shivan would have much more powerful, nothing is more easy. To me there has been only 3 death stars ( the two of the movies, the one in rebel assault2). to me, there's a few dozen of SSD. You can say everything you want, Lucas never agreed to make those novels àofficial or whatever. In that case, the Apocalypse can ruin any empire ship. bah
always funny to have an argument with you, tho

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