[AlphaOne]

Hey didn't one of the briefing's or debriefing's in FS1 said that both Vasudans and Terrans have gathered all available warships in SOL in order to mount an effective defence against the Lucy ???

If' im not mistaken that would mean at least a couple of cruisers perhaps even a destroyer would be based in SOL vasudan ones i mean !

Don't take this for good since i can remember exactly  if they were based in sol or outside SOL in a blockade!

[Androgeos Exeunt]

In Sol is in Sol, so they were in the Sol system.

[NGTM-1R]

Hey didn't one of the briefing's or debriefing's in FS1 said that both Vasudans and Terrans have gathered all available warships in SOL in order to mount an effective defence against the Lucy ???

No.

[Snail]

Hey didn't one of the briefing's or debriefing's in FS1 said that both Vasudans and Terrans have gathered all available warships in SOL in order to mount an effective defence against the Lucy ???

If' im not mistaken that would mean at least a couple of cruisers perhaps even a destroyer would be based in SOL vasudan ones i mean !

Don't take this for good since i can remember exactly  if they were based in sol or outside SOL in a blockade!

I'm pretty sure they said the opposite !

[karajorma]

Wasn't there a plot element of MindGames concerning the Vasudan remnants in Sol?

Yep. It's a major part of the plot line for the mod.

I doubt there were enough Vasudans to make a breeding population.

The popuation you need to maintain a species is much lower than you'd expect. There is significant evidence that the human population was reduced to somewhere between 2000 and 20,000 people by the Toba supervolcano. Which means that a destroyer or two would have a breeding population.

But even that is a high estimate. Every single Californian Condor in the world is a descendant of the 22 birds that were still alive 20 years ago.

[Stormkeeper]

To be absolutely honest, I never really thought about if there were Vasudans on Earth.

[Snail]

To be absolutely honest, I never really thought about if there were Vasudans on Earth.

Then you are not a true FreeSpacer.

[Mobius]

Earth doesn't necessarily mean Sol.

IMHO those Vasudans, despite the Alliance and their encouraging efforts, would suffer the almighty power() of racism...

[Snail]

My favorite vision of Sol after the isolation is complete anarchy.

[Narvi]

Wasn't there a plot element of MindGames concerning the Vasudan remnants in Sol?

Yep. It's a major part of the plot line for the mod.

I doubt there were enough Vasudans to make a breeding population.

The popuation you need to maintain a species is much lower than you'd expect. There is significant evidence that the human population was reduced to somewhere between 2000 and 20,000 people by the Toba supervolcano. Which means that a destroyer or two would have a breeding population.

But even that is a high estimate. Every single Californian Condor in the world is a descendant of the 22 birds that were still alive 20 years ago.

Still, the Vasudan presence wouldn't be very significant. Even assuming that they allowed the Vasudans to maintain two destroyers in Sol (unlikely, considering the potential security risk, and the reduced force projection, I'm more inclined to think cruisers were allocated there for defense)  and assuming they got their own colony somewhere, that's still less than a hundred thousand Vasudans in Sol. A drop in the bucket amongst the ocean of a few billion humans.

This is fertile ground for fanfiction though. You'd have an interesting logistical problem; do you let them settle on Earth, in their own community? How do you school the young? Are the Vasudan scientists going to spill all of their classified secrets now that they realize they are stranded? How do they integrate, since they are outnumbered by several orders of magnitude? Will they suffer institutionalized racism? How will the Vasudan superiority complex suffer minority status? Lots of fun stuff.

[Grizzly]

But even that is a high estimate. Every single Californian Condor in the world is a descendant of the 22 birds that were still alive 20 years ago.

Yes, but Vesudan' mating habits probably are more alike to that of the Terrans then to that of the Californian Condor.

(Or atleast, I hope so )

[Mongoose]

I'm feeling a certain image right about now. 

[SpardaSon21]

My guess is a mini-GTVA would have developed.  Eventually.

Since there were some Vasudans in Sol, my guess is the initial xenophobia and panic after the collapse would have forced the Vasudans into the outer areas.  Neptune, Pluto, Uranus, etc. since the humans didn't quite want to mingle so freely.

Earth, Mars, and Venus all go independent, then they quickly unify under a federalist government with a large degree of planetary autonomy similar to the United States, Ceres quickly joins since they are scared of the Jovians and Saturnians, who have unified into a semi-fascist government, and the Vasudans are setting up in the outer reaches, mining the Kuiper Belt, coexisting peacefully with the humans there, and they form their own government similar to the United Kingdom in structure and distribution of power, just no hereditary monarchs (Vasudans like Parliaments, and the humans out there probably hate any sort of hereditary leadership, kings, emperors, and nobles so a compromise is struck).  And trade quickly springs up between the Earth-based and the Pluto-based governments once they realize the other exists, and they get along well.  The Jovians and the Saturnians are not amused, and decide take the solar system by force.  War ensues, they are defeated, and the Vasudans and Terrans decide to make the bonds forged in that war even stronger by completely unifying under the banner of the Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance.

And serious problems ensue when the Delta Serpentis-Sol node is opened, since there can be only one Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance.  And the Sol one is set up quite differently than the Beta Aquilae one since it is set up more like the United States where the Beta Aquilae GTVA has more in common with the U.N.

[Retsof]

Is is just me or does it sound like someone has a campaign in the works? 

[General Battuta]

My guess is a mini-GTVA would have developed.  Eventually.

Since there were some Vasudans in Sol, my guess is the initial xenophobia and panic after the collapse would have forced the Vasudans into the outer areas.  Neptune, Pluto, Uranus, etc. since the humans didn't quite want to mingle so freely.

Earth, Mars, and Venus all go independent, then they quickly unify under a federalist government with a large degree of planetary autonomy similar to the United States, Ceres quickly joins since they are scared of the Jovians and Saturnians, who have unified into a semi-fascist government, and the Vasudans are setting up in the outer reaches, mining the Kuiper Belt, coexisting peacefully with the humans there, and they form their own government similar to the United Kingdom in structure and distribution of power, just no hereditary monarchs (Vasudans like Parliaments, and the humans out there probably hate any sort of hereditary leadership, kings, emperors, and nobles so a compromise is struck).  And trade quickly springs up between the Earth-based and the Pluto-based governments once they realize the other exists, and they get along well.  The Jovians and the Saturnians are not amused, and decide take the solar system by force.  War ensues, they are defeated, and the Vasudans and Terrans decide to make the bonds forged in that war even stronger by completely unifying under the banner of the Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance.

And serious problems ensue when the Delta Serpentis-Sol node is opened, since there can be only one Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance.  And the Sol one is set up quite differently than the Beta Aquilae one since it is set up more like the United States where the Beta Aquilae GTVA has more in common with the U.N.

Have you played Blue Planet? It might interest you.

[SpardaSon21]

Yeah I played Blue Planet.  Well until it crashed on me as I tried to see what my ship and loadout were when I was flying the Vishnan fighter for the first time.  And then I lost interest due to my short attention span.

@Retsof: No.  I have no idea how to make campaigns for Freespace or Freespace 2.  I have no idea how to FRED or TBL edit.  So it would suck, be poorly done, and have the worst balance ever.  Plus it would never be released with me constantly adding to the backstory and ship selection as my FRED and .tbl knowledge grew.  Besides, something like that would need voice actors for the English-speaking Vasudans with British accents.

[General Battuta]

You need to finish Blue Planet.

[eliex]

Definitely. 

I now wonder how the Vasudans (having a great importance in their culture) might have integrated their culture with the Terrans.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Hey, Vasudans are more pacifistic than Terrans, right?

Spoiler:

Remember the way the UEFg Renjian responded to the GTD Orestes' demand to power down? Sounds pretty Vasudan if you ask me.

[General Battuta]

Never mind this here post!