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Offline Polpolion

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A Very Unique Final Exam
IRC people know it, maybe a few other people have seen me mention it, but everyone who's heard thought was really interesting, so I'll make a thread about it.

I'm currently taking a class called U.S. Military History. This class is an examination of leadership, military unit/command hierarchy, previous wars the U.S. was involved with, and military technology. As far as I know, the closest high school class to "History and Moral Philosophy." My teacher joined the US army in 1976, was received his commission in 1980, and retired a Major in 1994. Went to several schools in the army: Airborne, Ranger, Jungle Operations, Northern Warfare Operations, Pathfinder, Sniper, Special Forces, HALO, and Scuba-Schools and Courses, and he's fluent in 3 languages.

Anyway, after that, he came back here and made this U.S. Military History class. One of the most interesting things about his final exam is that it takes about a month of class time to do, is itself a learning experience, and all at the same time evaluates the things you've learned about leadership and military hierarchy and operations.

All throughout the year, depending on if you turn your homework in early, do an excellent job on it, you can get promoted through the ranks. Things go from Corporal all the way to Captain. Since I'm an over achiever, I'm a Captain. Now when these things really take meaning is for the final exam itself. The final exam itself is a battle set in southwest Afghanistan, using a hex based board and foam plates to denote elevation. Taliban Insurgents are trying to prevent western infidels from invading their homeland. I don't know the American objective since I'm the Taliban "Ultimate Leader". The class was split into two teams, the Taliban and the Americans, both having their own ranks and hierarchy.

My team includes myself, a Second-In-Command (2IC), an 82mm mortar commander, a T-62 commander, a T-55 commander, and 3 infantry commanders. We have AAA guns distributed among pretty much everyone. I myself have a BMP-2, a PT-76, some command vehicle that I forgot its name, but it doesn't do anything, 3 ZPUs, and one stationary 57mm flak AA gun. 2IC has a T-72 an AA gun, an anti-tank gun, and an AT-5 guided missile system. Both of my tank commanders have 4 of their respective types of tanks, and my infantry commanders each have a huge Platoon’s worth of infantry, suicide donkeys (like suicide bombers except donkeys), 3 trucks with mounted machine guns, a BMP-2, and 1 truck with an AAA gun in it. My 82mm mortar guy has one huge artillery gun and 4 82mm mortars.

I don’t know too much about the Americans other than that they are a Stryker company and have a real rank hierarchy with Officers and most NCOs. So far I’ve seen 4 105mm MGSs and about 8 Strykers with just machine guns on them.

The game itself operates with a hex grid, over-laid by a coordinate grid, ie 723261, or (72.3, 26.1) for people who like maths better. There are 4 levels of elevation, ground level, 50 feet up, 100 feet up, 150 feet up, and 200 feet up. They’re pretty much just like Starcraft cliffs, only with bigger ramps and stuff. The field is about 10km x 10km or so.

There are 2 ridge complexes on the northern two-thirds of the map, plains on the bottom third, and there’s a bombed out town in the bottom. I’ll see if I can get a scan of the map later.

The West ridge is pretty indefensible with pretty much all ramps, and the Eastern is fine, with a good amount caves and choke points.

The game itself functions as such: The beginning of everyday, we start with artillery, used by a series of two die rolls, one for where we hit and another for if we killed anything. Then there’s the movement bound, where we take the pieces we move and move them 2 hexes for infantry 12 hexes for wheeled vehicles, 8 for tracked vehicles, and 40 for airplanes (But only the Americans have airplanes).

Combat functions as such: After everyone moves, we have people roll a 12 sided die 3 times. Once to “see” the enemy, if you make that roll, then you shoot your weapon and roll again to hit them, if you make that roll you roll again to deal damage. Depending on that roll you can either have no effect, you can disable it, or kill it outright.

Anyway, we started on the north half, with the ridges. All our guys are hidden, so they can’t see us, but since they’re in Strykers moving across open land, we can see all of them.

After we learned that, starting on Monday this week, we went into secluded planning. The Americans went into a different room to plan, and we stayed in the classroom with the map. The highest rank was in charge of planning, so it was me in charge of the 7 other Taliban people.

For three and a half days, we figured out where we would put are people, when we would pull back, and what to do if we our plan went wrong or one of us died. Then, today we started the actual final.

--Day 1-- (Will be about 6 days)

No one had any artillery target, because we couldn’t see each other.

The Americans drove right up in 2 groups, one group towards the valley in between the two ridges. This group had 4 MGS 105mm Strykers and a couple normal ones, and the other had about 8 Strykers.

The group with the 105mm cannons, the just parked right out in the middle of the open and haven’t moved since. They’ll make a real nice 82mm mortar target tomorrow.

The other group is moving up along the outside of the indefensible ridge clumped up in a column, maybe trying to flank us. But we’re ready. We tried to fire an AT-5 at a Styker that passed by at 500 meters, but we couldn’t “see” it, so we stayed hidden and didn’t fire.

So far the game is looking somewhat favorable.



More updates will come as the exam progresses. :D

 

Offline General Battuta

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This is stupendously cool.

 

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How do you keep track of your units? Do you have miniatures or green army men or something?
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Geez, I've always wanted something like that.

Too bad that a militaristic guy like me lives in a pacifist place like Italy... :doubt:
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Re: A Very Unique Final Exam
How do you keep track of your units? Do you have miniatures or green army men or something?

Little miniatures. They're really tiny. The trucks are a little larger than pencil erasers, and you need to look really close at the infantry to be able to see that they are more than just warts. AFAIK, my teacher got them from the company that makes them for the Army in Minnesota. I'll see if I can get their name tomorrow, actually.

We use weird green irregularly shaped things for bushes, cut up green wire sponges for farm crops, felt for the playing field, and cotton balls for smoke and explosions. But right now, the Taliban don't have our units on the main map because the US people can't see them. I have a feeling that this final is mainly for the benefit of the people on the US team, because they have 20 people and we have 8, their rules are more in-depth than ours, and the Taliban people are the smarter team in the class (less needy to be taught?). We keep track of our units until they're found and between classes by writing down their location on a map. I'll try and scan and upload a lot of this stuff once the final is over if people are still interested.

 

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Very, very cool.  But I would suggest making sure the Intel you post on here isn't useful to the enemy lest some cunning American finds it and gains information on your assets :D

EDIT>>

Out of curiosity are you factoring technology differences and such into your war game?

For example does a M1A2 need to roll less for detection and hitting then a T55?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2009, 04:01:38 pm by StarSlayer »
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Very, very cool.  But I would suggest making sure the Intel you post on here isn't useful to the enemy lest some cunning American finds it and gains information on your assets :D

I've taken that into consideration while writing my first post. Once the final exam finishes and I'm not worried that the crazy American XO is stalking me, I'll be able to re-tell everything in a lot more detail. :)

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EDIT>>

Out of curiosity are you factoring technology differences and such into your war game?

For example does a M1A2 need to roll less for detection and hitting then a T55?

Yup. We have a chart for every weapon system. Although the only kind of armor the US has is Strykers (no tanks for them), these are still factored in. The Javelin Missile system is almost an insta-kill, with its  "to see", "to hit", and "to kill" values all 2 or higher, but when the range is too short, it can't lock. Likewise, the 105mm Strykers can pretty much always win against any of our armor (With exception to our sole T-72, possibly). And if our T-72 decides to deploy smoke, the enemy air forces and the 105mm Strykers can just use thermals, so they won't be hampered. So we needed to plan our tactics to use close-range combat pretty much all the time. My infantry won't come streaming out of the caves until the enemy is at the doorstep, and the infantry that's not in caves, yet also hidden throughout the map will wait until the enemy is surrounded and very close in to shoot.

EDIT: fixed a grammar error.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2009, 04:18:26 pm by thesizzler »

 

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Geez, I've always wanted something like that.

Too bad that a militaristic guy like me lives in a pacifist place like Italy... :doubt:


You can be a pacifist and still enjoy wargames -- I'm sure there are other wargamers around.

 

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That class is made of win.  :yes:

 

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Geez, I've always wanted something like that.

Too bad that a militaristic guy like me lives in a pacifist place like Italy... :doubt:


You can be a pacifist and still enjoy wargames -- I'm sure there are other wargamers around.

You can, It's just I think part of the reason that I'm having so much fun is that I've taken this class with my enemies and my allies. I sat next to my 2IC for 90% of the time in the class. I used to play my 1st infantry commander's baseball team in 6th grade. The American's XO was in my programming class last year, and I went to grade school with one of their Platoon leaders. I've gotten to recognize everyone else in the class, and no we've got to - not literally fight - but work together as a team for the final, and play the game as a class that has been together for a whole semester.

But seriously, Mobius, General Battuta is right; find a wargamer's club, or make one if you have too. It's real fun even if you don't know everyone you're fighting with. :D

Oh BTW, in case everyone was wondering; Grading for the final isn't based on victory or defeat. It's based on how well you follow your orders (or in my case how well I give them), leadership skills, common sense tactics. It's possible to lose pretty badly and still ace the final exam, although generally, the people who are more successful in the battle on an individual level will have a somewhat higher grade than those who were killed by their own artillery. :nod:

 

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blah blah blah fake violence :\
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blah blah blah fake violence :\

You obviously haven't read my posts in their entirety, or you'd be able to tell that violence isn't the goal of this final, or even this class. And do you honestly think that a retired officer, an 18 year veteran, would get a teaching degree just to play games and watch violent movies with teenagers? The assumption you've made of this class is really quite inaccurate and shallow.

 

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ok then, blah blah blah fake military
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Better. :p

 

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Actually the donkeys do make sense, ethnic Afghans especially Pastuns from the northern regions really weren't into martyrdom, when the ISI would suggest suicide bombings on Soviet forces the Afghans refused.
Is your operations area actually modeled after real Afghan territory like the Panjshir valley?  Since you are the "home team" do you get to set up minefields and prepared positions for your armor?
Are your tanks bog standard T55s and T62s? I would assume a lot of your armor is probably ex Republican Guard that the CIA shipped in after Desert Storm.  At least until 1991 they probably received pretty good upkeep.  I haven't really looked into 105mm Strykers but I assume since they are based off an IFV that your tanks would be a bit more robust in close range?
Most importantly is the US task force air mobile?  As you probably know from your studies helicopter gunships and air mobile Spetnatz were probably the most effective tools in combating the Mujahideen.

If answering gives anything away i perfectly understand, but it does sound like a very neat project :D

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Actually the donkeys do make sense, ethnic Afghans especially Pastuns from the northern regions really weren't into martyrdom, when the ISI would suggest suicide bombings on Soviet forces the Afghans refused.
Is your operations area actually modeled after real Afghan territory like the Panjshir valley?  Since you are the "home team" do you get to set up minefields and prepared positions for your armor?
Are your tanks bog standard T55s and T62s? I would assume a lot of your armor is probably ex Republican Guard that the CIA shipped in after Desert Storm.  At least until 1991 they probably received pretty good upkeep.  I haven't really looked into 105mm Strykers but I assume since they are based off an IFV that your tanks would be a bit more robust in close range?
Most importantly is the US task force air mobile?  As you probably know from your studies helicopter gunships and air mobile Spetnatz were probably the most effective tools in combating the Mujahideen.

If answering gives anything away i perfectly understand, but it does sound like a very neat project :D



The area IIRC is modeled after land miles southwest of Khost province, I don't know exactly where, though.

We managed to dig in our armor to hidden potions inside buildings and ramped dugouts beneath bushes, so they have adequate cover until they need to pop out.

I'm pretty sure the only airlifting the US will be doing is moving wounded. We have pretty decent AA capacities, actually. But if they use air recon intelligently, we're pretty much screwed. I know that one of the different hours was already able to take out an A-10 with their 57mm gun at a decent range, and if you add in our single SAM and bunch of ZPUs and trucks, we should be fine against most hostile CAS.

One thing I really want to do is be able to attack their Strykers quickly, before they can disembark their infantry. That would make things so much easier, because we wouldn't need to deal with their javilin gunners then, which is pretty much our biggest threat since they only have 4 105mm, and in their current position can be easily engaged with our 82 mils.

 

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I imagine that in real life the US would have a lot more air support.

 

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I imagine that in real life the US would have a lot more air support.

I wouldn't think it's that easy to airlift Strykers, but they will have AH-64s, A-10s, F-16, or whatever ground attack craft available to them from day to day. It's just that many hours neglect to deploy them effectively.

 

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One of my finals was watching Bambi.  I'm not kidding.

 

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This sounds quite interesting.

One of my finals was watching Bambi.  I'm not kidding.
:wtf: :lol: