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Offline Ransom

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As for Windows 7...who knows.  I'm certainly encouraged by early reports about it, but I don't know that the machine I'm on could handle it comfortably even with the upgrades I have planned for it.  If I ever build some sort of uber-machine, maybe I'd consider dual-booting it with XP.
Windows 7 performance is very close to XP. They've optimised the hell out of it since Vista. I installed it on my laptop which sits at nearly exactly the minimum system requirements and the performance is basically the same as it was with XP.

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Word 2007 is really confusing. I'm glad it was just a trial version bundled with the laptop 'cause I had to get rid of it and put 2003 on.

yep, wanted to SAVE a document on someone elses computer... had to figure out where the save button was first... took a minute or two.  :blah:

Man.... Do I know how that feels like

I still don't like the bloody program, it's good for people who've never seen a computer before in their life, but why not stick with what works?

 
I still use OfficeXP/Office2003
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Offline General Battuta

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I've been using Vista x64 for a couple of weeks now and I have no complaints so far. Although, Word 2007 is really confusing. I'm glad it was just a trial version bundled with the laptop 'cause I had to get rid of it and put 2003 on.

I've actually found the Ribbon to be a pretty solid improvement once I got the hang of it. But I hardly use Word for word processing any more.

 

Offline Bob-san

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I really dislike the ribbon. I've been using Word since Office '97, and I think '03 is still the pinnacle of what they can do. All I have to figure out is how to disable that damn help bar--it's not needed for Word or Excel, though it's necessary for Powerpoint.
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Offline Daniel P

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What about open office.   :D
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Offline Mika

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This actually sounds interesting. Thanks for bringing Windows 7 up.

I found an article that describes a peculiar behavior of the operating system: http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/10/28/44TC-windows-7_2.html

Microsoft says they have incorporated some amount of self-healing in the operating system in case of memory corruption and violation.

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Offline IceFire

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I've been using Vista x64 for a couple of weeks now and I have no complaints so far. Although, Word 2007 is really confusing. I'm glad it was just a trial version bundled with the laptop 'cause I had to get rid of it and put 2003 on.

I've actually found the Ribbon to be a pretty solid improvement once I got the hang of it. But I hardly use Word for word processing any more.
Nevermind solid...its absolutely incredible.  Its not going to gain much reception for now because lots of folks are trained on the old way of doing things but with Office 2007 they finally had a proper UI team give it a work over.  Its a much smarter system, it does things faster, and once you've relearned its an overall better experience in my opinion.

But Office 2000 will still be around for a long time.

I will say one thing about Office and Windows and upgrading.  Particularly with Windows I would only consider upgrading when you have a new system.  I got Vista when I built my latest machine.  I would never have, and would have had a bad experience, with my older machine almost certainly. Next time I build a computer...I'll put Windows 7 on it (in a few years).
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Offline Daniel P

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2 days and 13 hours download. :hopping:

My internet connection speed can do +200 Kps not 11Kps
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have they actually brought opengl properly back in, instead of wrapping it in a nice dose of direxctx like in vista?
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Offline Angelus

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I'll get Win7 as soon they release service pack 2 for it. Not earlier. :p

 

Offline IceFire

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have they actually brought opengl properly back in, instead of wrapping it in a nice dose of direxctx like in vista?
That was never the case.  So long as your video card driver provided a full OpenGL implementation it isn't a problem.
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I've been using Vista x64 for a couple of weeks now and I have no complaints so far. Although, Word 2007 is really confusing. I'm glad it was just a trial version bundled with the laptop 'cause I had to get rid of it and put 2003 on.

I've actually found the Ribbon to be a pretty solid improvement once I got the hang of it. But I hardly use Word for word processing any more.
Nevermind solid...its absolutely incredible.  Its not going to gain much reception for now because lots of folks are trained on the old way of doing things but with Office 2007 they finally had a proper UI team give it a work over.  Its a much smarter system, it does things faster, and once you've relearned its an overall better experience in my opinion.

Really? I have to disagree.

I found that having editing functions located under the 'edit' drop-down tab of the toolbar was far better than having editing functions located in the 'review' tab of the ribbon. Likewise with how everything seems to be made 'wizard-ized' rather than 'let me freaking do it-ized'.

That's just me, though.

 

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have they actually brought opengl properly back in, instead of wrapping it in a nice dose of direxctx like in vista?
That was never the case.  So long as your video card driver provided a full OpenGL implementation it isn't a problem.
i've gotten down to 50% less performance from opengl with the same revision of drivers on vista as on xp. dx9 performance went down around 10-15%. nvidia 9600gt. explain if possible :p
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i've gotten down to 50% less performance from opengl with the same revision of drivers on vista as on xp. dx9 performance went down around 10-15%. nvidia 9600gt. explain if possible :p

Are you able to provide how you got these numbers? Knowing which application produced the numbers may help figure out why your performance is so bad.
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i've gotten down to 50% less performance from opengl with the same revision of drivers on vista as on xp. dx9 performance went down around 10-15%. nvidia 9600gt. explain if possible :p

Are you able to provide how you got these numbers? Knowing which application produced the numbers may help figure out why your performance is so bad.
fs2 and c4d mainly. :p as for dx apps.. well, any dx9 game obviously.


trust me, i'm not stupid when it comes to these things, fact is that opengl is much, much worse off on Vista than it was on XP.
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Offline IceFire

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I've been using Vista x64 for a couple of weeks now and I have no complaints so far. Although, Word 2007 is really confusing. I'm glad it was just a trial version bundled with the laptop 'cause I had to get rid of it and put 2003 on.

I've actually found the Ribbon to be a pretty solid improvement once I got the hang of it. But I hardly use Word for word processing any more.
Nevermind solid...its absolutely incredible.  Its not going to gain much reception for now because lots of folks are trained on the old way of doing things but with Office 2007 they finally had a proper UI team give it a work over.  Its a much smarter system, it does things faster, and once you've relearned its an overall better experience in my opinion.

Really? I have to disagree.

I found that having editing functions located under the 'edit' drop-down tab of the toolbar was far better than having editing functions located in the 'review' tab of the ribbon. Likewise with how everything seems to be made 'wizard-ized' rather than 'let me freaking do it-ized'.

That's just me, though.
See but everything is under Edit. Edit is huge.  Alright thats a bit of an exaggeration...but Edit and Format for instance are a huge general grouping. And yet although yes they are all "Edit" functions not all of them are the same or even related.  The Ribbon setup is more like Dreamweaver where like items are grouped together on the appropriate tab.  Yes it takes 30 minutes of use to get used to the new setup but once you know where things are I find I'm making far fewer clicks....if I'm working on a task (like editing templates for PowerPoint) then the related items to that task are probably on the tab I'm already on.

Plus with the structure of it already being on the screen I don't have to click 'Edit', move the cursor to the category, move down to the item on that submenu, and then click again.  Instead I just click what I want.  Maybe with one submenu.  So the ribbon setup means fewer clicks and much less moving.  Its a huge UI improvement on both the usability (mouse movement, accuracy, and targeting) and the speed front (time saved by not having to click or be as precise with mouse movements).

I can understand people being reticent to change and I can understand people perhaps not liking the grouping (I'd like the next version of Office to have a grouping function) but the design itself I think is great.  The biggest problem is the added screen space taken up by the ribbon versus the toolbar (which I think is 30 pixels versus something like 90 or 100 pixels for ribbon).  I consider that an issue but not a huge one in the realm of large high res displays.
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Offline IceFire

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have they actually brought opengl properly back in, instead of wrapping it in a nice dose of direxctx like in vista?
That was never the case.  So long as your video card driver provided a full OpenGL implementation it isn't a problem.
i've gotten down to 50% less performance from opengl with the same revision of drivers on vista as on xp. dx9 performance went down around 10-15%. nvidia 9600gt. explain if possible :p
Don't use the same driver...use whatever the best is for the OS...

As for 50% less performance ...something is wrong.

Here's some benchmarks from IL-2 for Windows XP and Windows 7 (I couldn't quickly find a Vista comparison but the numbers are essentially the same): http://gozr.net/iocl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=176

IL-2 is a very intense OpenGL application but it also completely stresses the system its running on because its a very heavy CPU and RAM user as well in doing all of the physics and AI calculations.  As you can see from the numbers posted there...very little difference.  About 3 fps average difference between XP and 7 on the same system.  With Vista SP1 with mature non-beta drivers the performance is the same.
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Offline Ford Prefect

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On a similar note, can someone explain to me what the point of the .docx format is, other than being a pain in everyone's ass?
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