[Asprin]

With all due respect to HLP community, but how can you talk about propaganda if you saw only 2 trailers. This is very similar to situation when you've read only preface to a book, and then you're saying: "...This book is propaganda..." Guys, it's can't be serious, because you don't know about the story line, which actually is very dramatic, and its main objective is to show one simple thought: "...any war is civilian, because all men are brothers..."

[castor]

Well, it looked very good, technically and artistically.
No comment on the rest.

[Ghostavo]

To clarify, my first thought was "What the hell does the Georgia-Russia conflict have to do with the Babylon 5 universe?" and I maintain by it.

It's not a question of politics, it's just a plain weird scenario and an immersion killer.

[peterv]

With all due respect to HLP community, but how can you talk about propaganda if you saw only 2 trailers. This is very similar to situation when you've read only preface to a book, and then you're saying: "...This book is propaganda..." Guys, it's can't be serious, because you don't know about the story line, which actually is very dramatic, and its main objective is to show one simple thought: "...any war is civilian, because all men are brothers..."

From the end titles of the trailer:

"Historical reconstruction of the military conflict between Russia federation and Georgia in the universe of babylon 5
In memory of all Saakasfvili's victims"

This is the definition of propaganda.

[Asprin]

Any attacker has a leader, so eventually when we're returning back the roots we're discovering a real source of the victims. But what if we're not reach the roots? What if we're only think that we've already reach it? Hmmmm....Looks like i've started to explain the story line already...

[peterv]

What can i say? When you reconstruct a conflict, it's a requirement that you know the story, right? And in this case you know the attacker, the reasons that he attacked for etc.
So let us know please, because all i know about this particular story is what the media said, and i don't trust them so very much.

[Asprin]

Yes, the way of main hero will start during this conflict...all will looks "good" for some time, but suddenly the hero will start to approach to the one of main B5 thoghts: "...our enemy are not kingdoms or empires, our enemy is darkness in lost soul..."

[peterv]

For those of us who remain naive:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-propaganda.html

And especially this part:

"When you are losing a point, change the subject. Start talking about something else, anything else, where you at least can't lose because there isn't anything to lose".

Please guys, lock the thread 

[General Battuta]

Wait, this isn't in TBP? This is Minbari Project?

It looks exactly the same. Could someone highlight the differences?

I understand Minbari Project has full-Newtonian flight, but I couldn't tell it apart from TBP glide.

[Asprin]

The project has all futures of Minbari Project, but in this time their number is significant increased. Anyway you can read this F.A.Q. for future details.

[General Battuta]

You'll have to cut that 'in the memory of all the victims of Sakashvili' line at the end, or it's still propaganda.

There is a strong argument that Russia provoked the war, after all.

[Asprin]

You'll have to cut that 'in the memory of all the victims of Sakashvili' line at the end, or it's still propaganda.

If there is only problem, so no problems.

There is a strong argument that Russia provoked the war, after all.

There're many strong arguments about conflict roots. So let's leave this theme.

[General Battuta]

What?

[Bobboau]

"What the hell does the Georgia-Russia conflict have to do with the Babylon 5 universe?"

QFTW

[IPAndrews]

They could have at least disguised it as a Babylon 5 storyline. This is just lazy. What next? A Babylon 5 retelling of the X Factor voting scandal?

[Wanderer]

Granted that i do not really know what preceded and eventually precipitated the conflict but i do believe that Georgia had very little to gain in (or reason to) invading South Ossetia in the first place... However what i do remember from the conflict in question in addition to the shelling of the SO capital were the Russian blockade of only real port in Georgia (not to mention the 'peacekeepers' looting Georgian property) thus preventing aid from reaching Georgia, Russian 'peacekeepers' preventing humanitarian aid reaching city of (bit of googling..) Gori (?) for several days, not forgetting what some Russian officer described as 'marauding gangs' of Ossetian militia looting Georgian property under the eyes of the said 'peacekeepers'...

So yeah... kinda wonder what kind of balanced view of the conflict are you actually making?

[karajorma]

I'll have to agree with Wanderer on the political side. You've basically selected a very messy war and come off as hugely one sided. Now if you made it clear that you'd see whatever side represents the Russians doing all kinds of bad stuff too then you might come off as more balanced.

It is possible to make a game which is based on the themes of a war which is recent. If you'd based your campaign around the idea of Earth Force getting drawn into invading a star system in an attempt to restore order and then finding itself embroiled in an insurgency most people would draw parallels to Iraq. And that would be fine.

The problems comes when you quite clearly state that you're trying to make the War in Iraq into a  B5 game that celebrates the war. It just draws you away from the game you're trying to sell. If you want to persuade anyone to play this outside of Russia you really will need to persuade them thatit  is believable, not simply an attempt to create Russian propaganda in the FS2_Open engine.

[Asprin]

It is possible to make a game which is based on the themes of a war which is recent. If you'd based your campaign around the idea of Earth Force getting drawn into invading a star system in an attempt to restore order and then finding itself embroiled in an insurgency most people would draw parallels to Iraq. And that would be fine.

Personally I think this is an excellent solution. Looks like i have to convince our team to do so.

[peterv]

It is possible to make a game which is based on the themes of a war which is recent. If you'd based your campaign around the idea of Earth Force getting drawn into invading a star system in an attempt to restore order and then finding itself embroiled in an insurgency most people would draw parallels to Iraq. And that would be fine.

Yes! That could be a base for a clever propaganda 

[IPAndrews]

Even I would play that, and I wouldn't even know I was being brainwashed.