This was at Charles (Fugger)'s party for XS. I was going to go, but I couldn't find somewhere to stay. I have a few friends that went. Anyways--truth be told, it's not THAT big of a surprise. AMD's reps in the extreme enthusiast communities had been hinting that the colder, the better for these Phenom II's. They did the LHe cooling wrong IMO. They could have done MUCH better on that aspect. When something has a boiling point of 4.2K, you don't simply pour it into an open container.