[iamzack]

Uh, if you are chasing after it, then you are wasting your life.

[The E]

No. Science isn't capable of proving or disproving the existence of an afterlife.

[iamzack]

An afterlife is unlikely.

[WeatherOp]

Uh, if you are chasing after it, then you are wasting your life.

Define "waste".

[blackhole]

oops my bad, it's been awhile        
What if there really is a god and you have to earn your way to heaven by your conduct in life, but you only know this is certain upon your death, by which it's too late to make your life acceptable for heaven? As opposed to dying and your gone for eternity. If there's even a lisht chance that there is a heaven, isn't it wise to live your life in order to make it there?

I want to point out that according to Christians, all homosexuals go to hell, regardless of whether or not they are a good person. You can change that definition, but then you're just picking and choosing what "going to heaven" really means. Once you are at the point where humans are choosing how you get to heaven, how the heck does this have anything to do with God?

Personally, if there was a God, I think he'd let people into heaven based on whether or not they were a good person, not on petty things like sexual orientation or praying or baptism that we mortals obsess over.

*goes back to attempting to ignore this thread even though its being posted in so often he has to hit the "post" button like 3 times before his reply actually gets through*

[Daniel P]

An afterlife is unlikely.

I do believe in an Afterlife. 

[Black Wolf]

How the hell does that work?  No way chance worked with that.

It's possible that the simplest organisms now need 500 amino acids (though I find that unlikely - biochemistry is ased around a much, much smaller number of amino acids - I suspect that the removal of some of them - a lot of them, actually, would probably shorten lifespans and impede functionality, but simple life could probably survive without them). but the fist hyper simplistic chemical replicators probably didn't. And as long as you have some kind of replication going on, chance as we understand it - or at least, as it's understood by the author of your quote there, stops being relevant, and we're into evolution.

[iamzack]

oops my bad, it's been awhile        
What if there really is a god and you have to earn your way to heaven by your conduct in life, but you only know this is certain upon your death, by which it's too late to make your life acceptable for heaven? As opposed to dying and your gone for eternity. If there's even a lisht chance that there is a heaven, isn't it wise to live your life in order to make it there?

I want to point out that according to Christians, all homosexuals go to hell, regardless of whether or not they are a good person. You can change that definition, but then you're just picking and choosing what "going to heaven" really means. Once you are at the point where humans are choosing how you get to heaven, how the heck does this have anything to do with God?

Personally, if there was a God, I think he'd let people into heaven based on whether or not they were a good person, not on petty things like sexual orientation or praying or baptism that we mortals obsess over.

*goes back to attempting to ignore this thread even though its being posted in so often he has to hit the "post" button like 3 times before his reply actually gets through*

Actually, Lutherans believe that everyone is going to heaven regardless of sin or belief. God is totally forgiving and stuff

An afterlife is unlikely.

I do believe in an Afterlife. 

Me too. But that's it. No chasing. No altering what I do to fit some religion's standards for getting in. Etc.

[Coolhand1980]

Me too. But that's it. No chasing. No altering what I do to fit some religion's standards for getting in. Etc.

So why don't you go murder a ton of people, steal all their possessions and live a life of leisure?

[iamzack]

Sounds good. I'll start with Turambar.


But you've got it backwards. I'm not going to church and praying and blah blah blah. I just do what I'd do anyway if I didn't believe in an afterlife. See the most recently locked thread.

[Coolhand1980]

Sounds good. I'll start with Turambar.

 

[Turambar]

Me too. But that's it. No chasing. No altering what I do to fit some religion's standards for getting in. Etc.

So why don't you go murder a ton of people, steal all their possessions and live a life of leisure?

because that's a total dick move.  just cause there's no reward for behaving doesn't mean you shouldn't behave.

[NGTM-1R]

I want to point out that according to Christians, all homosexuals go to hell, regardless of whether or not they are a good person. You can change that definition, but then you're just picking and choosing what "going to heaven" really means. Once you are at the point where humans are choosing how you get to heaven, how the heck does this have anything to do with God?

Nope! Christian =! Catholic.

Episcopal church is having a shcism over this very issue right now. Congradulations, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Flipside]

Because of an inate knowledge of what is Right and Wrong, and not from a Divine perspective, we are pack animals, the pack will reject that which damages it, therefore we are built with a set of rules that define what is acceptable within that pack.

That same tribal instinct is the very hurdle we have to vault when trying to overcome acceptance of Gays, different races etc, they are not of 'our' pack, therefore part of us treats them with suspicion.

[iamzack]

Me too. But that's it. No chasing. No altering what I do to fit some religion's standards for getting in. Etc.

So why don't you go murder a ton of people, steal all their possessions and live a life of leisure?

because that's a total dick move.  just cause there's no reward for behaving doesn't mean you shouldn't behave.

I'm not going to behave if I'm not rewarded. **** you.

[WeatherOp]

Me too. But that's it. No chasing. No altering what I do to fit some religion's standards for getting in. Etc.

So why don't you go murder a ton of people, steal all their possessions and live a life of leisure?

because that's a total dick move.  just cause there's no reward for behaving doesn't mean you shouldn't behave.

Well, to be honest, iamzack did say something about there being no morals.  

Better watch your back man.  

[Coolhand1980]

Me too. But that's it. No chasing. No altering what I do to fit some religion's standards for getting in. Etc.

So why don't you go murder a ton of people, steal all their possessions and live a life of leisure?

because that's a total dick move.  just cause there's no reward for behaving doesn't mean you shouldn't behave.

If there's no consequence for your actions, why not be the most self-centered, selfish, ass clown in the universe?

[iamzack]

Me too. But that's it. No chasing. No altering what I do to fit some religion's standards for getting in. Etc.

So why don't you go murder a ton of people, steal all their possessions and live a life of leisure?

because that's a total dick move.  just cause there's no reward for behaving doesn't mean you shouldn't behave.

If there's no consequence for your actions, why not be the most self-centered, selfish, ass clown in the universe?

There totally is consequence. I'm not going to kill Turambar because I find him useful. I'm not going to mow down some school childrenw ith my mother's car because she would probably make me clean it afterwards.

[Turambar]

Me too. But that's it. No chasing. No altering what I do to fit some religion's standards for getting in. Etc.

So why don't you go murder a ton of people, steal all their possessions and live a life of leisure?

because that's a total dick move.  just cause there's no reward for behaving doesn't mean you shouldn't behave.

If there's no consequence for your actions, why not be the most self-centered, selfish, ass clown in the universe?

this sounds like a job for... .  PHILOSOPHY!!

or, failing that, it's a job for the legal system.

[Flipside]

There's no Divine consequence for them. It takes a fool to believe in an afterlife so strongly as to risk being LAPD'd through the head for it