[Snail]

The rebellion isn't fake... just Bosch is an operative and, in the end, would have cooperated with the GTVA (his deployers!) to lure the rebel fleet into a trap. He was just an aid to find the rebellious people.

I seriously doubt this from his monologues.

[eliex]

The rebellion isn't fake... just Bosch is an operative and, in the end, would have cooperated with the GTVA (his deployers!) to lure the rebel fleet into a trap. He was just an aid to find the rebellious people.

I really don't know how you came to this conclusion.

[Lucika]

The rebellion isn't fake... just Bosch is an operative and, in the end, would have cooperated with the GTVA (his deployers!) to lure the rebel fleet into a trap. He was just an aid to find the rebellious people.

I seriously doubt this from his monologues.

Why? I guess that the GTA (and not GTVA) wants to ally with the Shivans against the Vasudans (by the way, the reason behind the SOC mission /Dive, dive dive!/ was that they tried to find Bosch).

Monologue 1: Nothing against the GTA.
No. 2: He has enemies, that's all. Calls his own rebellion an "army of stupid cattle". He states that "...my rebellion is about my love for humanity and not my hatred of Vasudans" - THUS he tries to help the Terran-Shivan alliance against the Vasudans.
"...and soon the alliance will learn the method behind my madness." <- This is a debatable(?) sentence, but I can't say that this breaks everything.
No. 3: Nothing again. He mentions that whether this ruse was useful or not (Fool's Crusade).
No. 4: He is happy that he achieved his goals. Tho he didn't expect that he'll be carried away.

Fact list will come soon!

[Commander Zane]

The GTI said sod the Shivans and kill the Vasudans.

No. 2: He has enemies, that's all. Calls his own rebellion an "army of stupid cattle". He states that "...my rebellion is about my love for humanity and not my hatred of Vasudans" -  THUS he tries to help the Terran-Shivan alliance against the Vasudans.

This just supports that he's following what the GTI wanted.

[Lucika]

I am writing an article about the topic. Soon to post it.

[Snail]

The GTI said sod the Shivans and kill the Vasudans.

No, they didn't. You're mixing G-canon with real canon.

(G-canon = Goober/Galemp canon )

[Commander Zane]

Isn't that the reason why you destroy the Hades even on the original Silent Threat?

[Snail]

Isn't that the reason why you destroy the Hades even on the original Silent Threat?

Nope, you kill it just for being there in the original. The entire Zod hating thing is completely non-canon.

[Commander Zane]

I need to stop hating that campaign...

[Lucika]

Isn't that the reason why you destroy the Hades even on the original Silent Threat?

Nope, you kill it just for being there in the original. The entire Zod hating thing is completely non-canon.

What do you think? GTI overthrows the GTA and than lives in peace with the PVN? Come on...

[Snail]

What do you think? GTI overthrows the GTA and than lives in peace with the PVN? Come on...

I'm talking about the canonicity of statements. Not the judgment behind them.

[Lucika]

What do you think? GTI overthrows the GTA and than lives in peace with the PVN? Come on...

I'm talking about the canonicity of statements. Not the judgment behind them.

I just mean that the GTI - as a logical sequence of events - will try to overthrow the Vasudans, no matter what.
Anyway, the thread is up:  http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,61117.0.html

[terran_emperor]

Besides Vanilla ST briefings mention GTI plans to dissolve the PVN-GTA Alliance - not in great detail. They jus mention dissolving the GTA Treaty (which i presume is the Treaty with the Zods)

[Snail]

Besides Vanilla ST briefings mention GTI plans to dissolve the PVN-GTA Alliance - not in great detail. They jus mention dissolving the GTA Treaty (which i presume is the Treaty with the Zods)

Does it say that?

[terran_emperor]

Besides Vanilla ST briefings mention GTI plans to dissolve the PVN-GTA Alliance - not in great detail. They jus mention dissolving the GTA Treaty (which i presume is the Treaty with the Zods)

Does it say that?

Command Briefing for "The Return to Ross 128"

[Snail]

Besides Vanilla ST briefings mention GTI plans to dissolve the PVN-GTA Alliance - not in great detail. They jus mention dissolving the GTA Treaty (which i presume is the Treaty with the Zods)

Does it say that?

Command Briefing for "The Return to Ross 128"

Could you give me the quote I don't have the original ST missions on me right now.

[terran_emperor]

Could you give me the quote I don't have the original ST missions on me right now.

Just checked the Mission itself.

the gamefaq walkthrough that i used originally messed the line up.
This walkthrough renders the line as "dissovle the GTA treaty"

The actual line from Vanilla Silent Treat specifically states the the GTI Rouges plan to "dissolve the Terran-Vasudan Alliance"

note: "Alliance" could have been "treaty"...

[Commander Zane]

So I was right then about GTI saying sod Shivans and kill Vasudans?

[terran_emperor]

Yes you were...

I makes me wonder if the Trigger Happy Terran pilots who caused the skirmish at the beginning of Vanilla ST were trigger Happy Co-conspirators...
That would have been a nice plot-point to include in ST:R...but oh-well.

Besides i suspect that GTI started the Great War. My personal theory is that when GTI first encountered the Shivans and tried to communicate, poor Translation resulted in the GTI effectivly "giving the finger" to the Lucifer's Captain. In Shivan Culture, is a big no-no that usually results in the death of the offending party and his/her allies, unless a formal appology is made. Since the GTI were unable to do this it resulted in the Great War.

Now the Moral of this story is that If I were Command, i would have kept complete control over the GTI instead of letting them have as much independance as they did. I've seen enough X-Files, Stargate and Babylon-5 to know that you should never let agencies like that run independant of the Government.

[Mongoose]

Besides i suspect that GTI started the Great War. My personal theory is that when GTI first encountered the Shivans and tried to communicate, poor Translation resulted in the GTI effectivly "giving the finger" to the Lucifer's Captain. In Shivan Culture, is a big no-no that usually results in the death of the offending party and his/her allies, unless a formal appology is made. Since the GTI were unable to do this it resulted in the Great War.

That's a decent theory, but it'd essentially be copying the exact same circumstances that led to the 14-Year War.  Given what we know about the Shivans, I suspect that any initial contact by the GTI would have led to conflict no matter how it was conducted...and contact may not have even been necessary, as the Shivans were presumably aware of the ever-growing Terran and Vasudan subspace traffic.