[karajorma]

The problem is that we're putting too much blind trust into one of the biggest bureaucracies that ever existed. Our elected representatives should wear racing jumpsuits, so that we know who their corporate sponsors are!

The solution to having a big pile of **** is not to take little bits of **** and post them through everyone's letterbox.

Similarly if your big elected government is massively corrupt you need to kick them out, not force them back to the states to run their own tin pot corrupt states. That won't help anyone at all. Let's pick for instance Texas and New York. Both are only ever going to be won by one party. So you basically have a self perpetuating oligarchy. The potential for corruption in both is enormous,

[Slasher]

It's not like people elected at the local level can't be corrupt too.  A lot of counties hold elections for top Justice Department positions, which is not always a good thing.

[Bob-san]

We've all seen it. The problem is nothing controversial ever happens in an election year, and when it does people are too blind to see that the guy they elected is more crooked than an LA gang.

[BengalTiger]

Similarly if your big elected government is massively corrupt you need to kick them out...

That would take a lot more than a few guys in NH claiming they'll declare civil war.

[NGTM-1R]

Not that I'm siding with the nutters but do you have any examples of this? I haven't been keeping up on any of this for a long while....

Desegration, or the way the Emancipation Proclaimation was interpreted into law for all states rather than those merely in open rebellion like it mandated, or the ongoing conflict between medical marijauna laws here in California and federal drug laws.

The concept of democracy is heavily dependent on there being one law for all, with as few exceptions or exemptions as possible. In times past, when it was not as possible to travel great distances, this could be handled well enough by the states, but now that it is reasonably possible to hop in your car and cross state lines twice in one day of driving, this is best handled by the federal government.

[Scorpius]

The good news about the US corruption is that it can still be contained at the political level but when corruption on a widespread social level occurs (like in Russia where bribery is expected to do anything) then there is little hope for the system until it collapses under its own weight and starts again.  In short no country is without its corruption and dirty dealings and Im glad to see that we still have the ability to talk about this subject and we have a law enforcement agency that still catches these people and many get convicted.

There is always room for improvement and in the case of the US, there is much improvement needed.

[Charismatic]

1 Assuming this is real, and all valid arguements aside, it's about time that a state decided to stand up against the federal government.
2 There's a lot of valid points. And do realize just how much states are being restricted by the Federal gov't. Some states will fight back.

Seconded. But can anyone find out if this is real or not?
With all the technology nowadays I dont see a civil war going far.

EDIT: Im not saying civil war is what should happen, but I think the Fed has taken away far too many rights, restricted far too many things. It is about time We the People took a stand.
As someone said, its our job to maintain it. If gov gets out of hand, then civil war them. (As I said, this is not the case yet)

[Nuclear1]

And which rights would those be that justify civil war? Yes, the federal government has expanded, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

[WeatherOp]

Hmm, maybe this is a good thing, if we go to war against NH, maybe we can jump start the economy. 

But, in the end, the real civil war may come from the other states who want to annex NH after the fighting.

[iamzack]

Why would anyone want NH?

[Solatar]

The Constitution isn't as cut and dry as people would like to think. Sure the federal government only gets enumerated powers, but in a seemingly contradictory statement Congress also has the power to pass any law that is "necessary and proper". Therefore federal drug laws, etc. are all legal.

The article is throwing loaded words like "civil war" into a debate that has been going on for over 2 hundred years. Sure the state government vs. federal government was what spawned the Civil War, but really...why would THIS attempt start a civil war.

EDIT: Nice comments from people that read that blog...sensationalism, pure and simple. When I hear from a reputable news source that New Hampshire has seceded, I'll worry.

[Charismatic]

And which rights would those be that justify civil war? Yes, the federal government has expanded, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

There becomes a point when its too big, and does not give back the temporary power we give it. Can easily turn into dictatorship.

[NGTM-1R]

Of course, the Civil War proved that you don't have the right to secede, so sorry.

[Polpolion]

Of course, the Civil War proved that you don't have the right to secede, so sorry.

Seceding is counter-productive. Overthrowing the government and making a new one is not.

[NGTM-1R]

Of course, the Civil War proved that you don't have the right to secede, so sorry.

Seceding is counter-productive. Overthrowing the government and making a new one is not.

Yes, but that would be popular rebellion, not civil war, particularly not in this context of a single state.

[Titan]

So... last I heard, the count was 21 states have joined new hampshire?

[General Battuta]

So... last I heard, the count was 21 states have joined new hampshire?

Source? And does it actually mean anything?

[iamzack]

Too bad NC done went with 'em. I guess me and Turambar ain't Amurricans no more.

[Mars]

I sure hope Colorado did the smart thing and stayed out of it?

Cause I don't wanna be at war with my own state.

[iamzack]

JK. NC is a blue state now. You're safe in Colorado.