[Skippy]

Originally posted by USS Alexander
The kushns offcourse the sathanas get her ass kickt by a HC cause that baby can fire totaly broadside, or they just plunge the siege cannon on it.

He said it

[Styxx]

Now, after reading that thread, it appears that they think the Shivans would win too...

[Admiral LSD]

Originally posted by Stunaep
Amen to that!

I was referring to the fact that when viewed in Opera it renders as black text on a black background. Whoever's responsible for that needs to be taken out and shot...

[Setekh]

No question.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Admiral LSD
Whoever did the layout for that Relic board needs to be taken out and shot...

As a full-time GDH, Relic maintains their Corporate Website and the forums, they have to make a decision to support the most widely used platforms available.  Therefore their site(s) would support IE and Netscape.  I'll poke around and see if anybody over there has had a problem using Opera.

[Pera]

Originally posted by Skippy


He said it

Am I the only TAP:r here who thinks the Shivans would win?

[Bishop Gantry]

Kushans would win...

More durable ships than Shivan (cap ships)  faster moving than Shivan

[Pera]

Originally posted by Bishop Gantry
Kushans would win...

More durable ships than Shivan (cap ships)  faster moving than Shivan

Hmm, more durable ships?

You can't compare HW and FS ships byt thinking about how much damage they can take, because the weapons are different, but here's one thing:

Remember the mission in original homeworld where you have to clear a path for the mothership through an asteroid field? Well in that mission, only 4-5 small asteroids blow up a destroyer, just think about how many asteroids can a FS2 ship take without going down. And those HW weapons didn't do a jack against asteroids, in FS even a wing of fighters can take down large asteroids in no time.

And anyone remember shields? FS2 shields are completely invulnerable to kinetic weapons, a dogfight would be quite easy for the shivans. Also, HW fighters are like 200 meters long, quite of an easy target for a capship, wouldn't you think?

About the speed: Sure, HW ships ARE fast, a lot faster than FS ships(if we forger about physics, that is), but that doesn't really matter, a WW2 fighterplane is faster than a modern day tank, but it doesn't matter when the fighter can't hurt the tank at all. As someone said, FS2 ships can take dozens of impacts from antimatter torpedoes(once again, forget about physics), a simple 400-500 meter ball of plasma wouldn't feel anywhere, not to mention the other HW weapons.

Jeez, I can't imagine I'm arguing about something like this

[Galemp]

Shivan

Kushan pilot 1- It's not working!
Kushan commander- Oh noooooo!

*all kushans get blown to smithereens*

[Pera]

Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Shivan

Kushan pilot 1- It's not working!
Kushan commander- Oh noooooo!

*all kushans get blown to smithereens*

Yes, that was pretty much my point

[Mr. Vega]

And anyone remember shields? FS2 shields are completely invulnerable to kinetic weapons, a dogfight would be quite easy for the shivans. Also, HW fighters are like 200 meters long, quite of an easy target for a capship, wouldn't you think?

Did you forget the Morning Star and Flail?

[Pera]

Originally posted by Mr. Vega


Did you forget the Morning Star and Flail?

What about them? If I remember correctly, they are energy weapons that have a _kinetic effect_ on the target. Let's just say that "shields are invulnerable against projectile weapons".

Better?

[Bishop Gantry]

*cough missiles uncough* ever attempted to ram a ship in FS2 the ship will take damage

[Pera]

Originally posted by Bishop Gantry
*cough missiles uncough* ever attempted to ram a ship in FS2 the ship will take damage

Umm... The last time I checked FS2 shields stop missiles. I've always thought that the shields in FS ships have sort of a proximity sensor, which tells them to activate when something dangerous is about to hit the hull. Maybe this system detects when a hit is too powerful for the shield to stop, and then doesn't activate the shield. Would explain why beams go through them.

But when you ram a ship, it does take damage, but only very little, perhaps the shield doesn't even try to waste power on something that can be easily stopped by the ships armor.

[Bishop Gantry]

dunno what difficulty your running on but you take a pretty heafty damage from ramming things...

[Pera]

Originally posted by Bishop Gantry
dunno what difficulty your running on but you take a pretty heafty damage from ramming things...

Define "hefty damage" If I fly at maximum speed, hit an enemy who is also flying at maximum speed towards me, and both I and he take less´damage than from a single prometheus shot, then I wouldn't call it "hefty damage". In HW, fighter who collide with each other blow up instantly.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Shivan

Kushan pilot 1- It's not working!
Kushan commander- Oh noooooo!

*all kushans get blown to smithereens*

[adwight]

Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Shivan

Kushan pilot 1- It's not working!
Kushan commander- Oh noooooo!

*all kushans get blown to smithereens*

That's correct though, a mass driver wouldn't do jack to a Shivan fighter.

[Kazashi]

Originally posted by adwight

That's correct though, a mass driver wouldn't do jack to a Shivan fighter.

The Maxim works against Shivan fighters doesn't it? It takes a while to eat away at the shields, but it will eventually get through.

For various reasons I'd have to go for the Shivans to win over the Kushan.

[elorran]

Firstly, we encouter the problems of crossing the two universes.

Secondly as far as I have seen so far just about no one truely gave this real thought.  If by some strange effect the two did meet up and had a scrap, well.

Shivans use subspace drive, which as we all know requires a local stellar body to produce enough gravititation force to allow intra-system jump drives to work.  After that specific subspace nodes are required to travel from system to system.

Kushan use hyperdrive, now while this has the advantage of being able to jump just about anywhere does have a limited (if long) range and also requires a slightly longer re-charge time than SS-drives.

Next up is the fact that the Kushan, unlike the GTVA, do have ships comparable in size, power, and 'evilness' to the shivans.  I point your attention towards the Avatar heavy cruiser and other super-cap ship.

From looking at the two racial technologies it is probably that the Shivan Sathanas beam cannons are more powerful than ion beams over a period of time.  But, the HC is more maneuverable and far faster.  This is true for nearly all Kushan ships, they are far far faster than their shivan counterparts.  The fastest ship the Shiv's has only travels 90 m/s, the kushan scout does 1000m/s!

And another point, due to the nature of 'no shields' the kushan have, their ships are made far more solidly built and thus have significanly more armour and integrity (a scout can survive an ion beam hit for half a second or so.  No shivan vessel (except perhaps the fan made vindhyachel) could survive a main beam cannon hit).

The Shiv vessels also wouldn't appear to have the mass construction capability of a carrier, mothership or commandship.  And lets be honest, no meson bomb can compare to the power of the siege cannon.

Over all if both sides where to engage each other in typical combat style of their universe it is anyones guess who would win, but at present the odds are in favour of the Kushan.  Although is the situation and location where right either of the two could totally obliterate the other.

That is the fact.  And now here is the separate oppinion...

As a hard core HW fan I say... THE KUSHAN WOULD WIPE THE FLOOR WITH THE SHIVANS!!!  READ IT AND WEEP!

Thank you for your co-operation.