[Pred the Penguin]

If Alt Shift K only does 10% of hull then that would never kill a Sath.

[Snail]

If Alt Shift K only does 10% of hull then that would never kill a Sath.

You're not very bright, are you?

[Pred the Penguin]

So it damages 10% of the original hull strength...

I don't even use cheats, and now I regret posting that comment. >_<

[Mobius]

I'm quite sicks of discussions that derail because of cheats. This was supposed to be a serious thread(or, at least, an acceptable one). Cut the spam, guys...

[ShadowGorrath]

I remember using `+k on myself once. . . Said I died from collision with Alpha 1, if I remember right.

Anyway, the best way to kill one would be a meson bomb placed on one end of the node, then send in bombers to disarm the 4 beams and afterwards, a group of mjolnirs placed around the node in a large radius would finish it off. Have a small battlegroup farther away to pick off any runners or smaller ships and to provide further fighter and bomber support. Colossus engaging any shivan ships already in the system, but ready to reinforce the node blockade. Freighters and transports constantly moving/fixing/replacing mjolnirs and meson bombs. Should any of them run out- improvise. Cargo with ammunition in place of meson bombs and smaller capships ( eventually, the battlegroup itself ) in place of mjolnirs. ALWAYS keeping a large fighter and bomber screen there, and hope that this works out.

[Mobius]

Too bad that the Shivans are likely to sortie tons of spacecraft which would decimate Mjolnir RBCs and might also take the Meson Bomb down even before the arrival of the Sathanas...

[ShadowGorrath]

In FS2, the GTVA has fighter/bomber superiority. Better weapons, more gunpoints, etc... Plus, place a cruiser nearby with overcharged beams, and it'll be sniping their fighters and bombers with ease.

[Mobius]

It has superiority only because of balancing purposes. Shivan primaries have been weakened on purposes, we have no knowledge of arsenals of Shivan secondaries and spacecraft like the Nahema and the Mara are incredibly effective.

Only because in FS2 we take a lot of Shivan stuff down it doesn't mean the Shivans are weak. It's only an impression given by the fact that we don't play the game as a Shivan.

[ShadowGorrath]

I was talking of an in-game tactic, so what you just posted doesn't count.

[Snail]

I'm quite sicks of discussions that derail because of cheats. This was supposed to be a serious thread(or, at least, an acceptable one). Cut the spam, guys...

The thing is, there is no real definitive way to kill a Sath, or anything for that matter. There are far too many variables, such as, where is it, how many ships can you sortie in time, does it have capital ship support, etc. etc. Just like there is no surefire way to resolve a hostage situation, for example.

Bull**** statements like "send in 80 Ursas" or "just throw in a few dozen Orions and Hecates" are just about as pointless as using cheats. There's no way you'd be able to sortie that many bombers in any reasonable space of time from an in-universe perspective. In order to have a proper discussion on the topic, a simple scenario such as "How to kill a Sath?!?!?!" isn't enough.

But HLP is not Spacebattles.com so screwit.

[Mobius]

I was talking of an in-game tactic, so what you just posted doesn't count.

Meh, Universe related discussions are to be taken in consideration. It's quite idiotic to base discussions on the fact that 1) the player's faction always wins, 2) there are no arsenals of Shivan secondaries and 3) Shivan primaries have been weakened for balancing purposes.

Bull**** statements like "send in 80 Ursas" or "just throw in a few dozen Orions and Hecates" are just about as pointless as using cheats. There's no way you'd be able to sortie that many bombers in any reasonable space of time from an in-universe perspective. In order to have a proper discussion on the topic, a simple scenario such as "How to kill a Sath?!?!?!" isn't enough.

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

Discussions, even if strictly ingame-specific, are to be based on Universe-related facts.

[Titan]

Ok, scenario 1:

Lone sath, with a fighterbay full of FS1 era fighters and bombers. Jumps out if you take more than 3 minutes to disable it.

Scenario 2:

Sath escorted by 1 ravana, 1 demon, 2 molochs, 2 rakshasas, and 2 cains. Lots of mixed fighters.

Scenario 3:

Shivan armada, led by sath, tries to run a blockade.

[Pred the Penguin]

Scenario 1:
I'd go for nav or engines first, depending on which one it needs to jump. Secondary would be comm and fighterbay.
My attack force would consist of bomber wings with fighter escorts. Frigates and maybe an Aeolus.

Scenario 2:
Those extra destroyers do make things more difficult this time. Any lone fighter/bomber wings would be completely wasted. Lots of recon and diversionary tactics to draw of those destroyers.
For the Sath, wings to destroy the beams and an Orion for the kill. Corvettes and extra wings for the remaining escorts.

Scenario 3:
General idea would be to divide and conquer. Any blockade facing the whole armada would be suicide, even with those OP Mjolnirs.

[Snail]

Ok, scenario 1:

Lone sath, with a fighterbay full of FS1 era fighters and bombers. Jumps out if you take more than 3 minutes to disable it.

Scenario 2:

Sath escorted by 1 ravana, 1 demon, 2 molochs, 2 rakshasas, and 2 cains. Lots of mixed fighters.

Scenario 3:

Shivan armada, led by sath, tries to run a blockade.

You didn't get my point.


What I was saying is that theoretical stuff like this is bull****. You have to actually have a proper scenario - A scenario you would actually base a campaign on. Hypothetical stuff like this isn't enough to actually go on.

[Mobius]

Once again, I agree...

[Titan]

well then don't take part. 

[Mobius]

Wrong. The point is that there shouldn't be any idiotic scenarios.

[ShadowGorrath]

Actually, if you don't like this thread, then don't post here. Simple.

And since I based my scenario on in-game stuff, don't bring in-universe facts in there. In-universe, it's likely that all that I mentioned in my scenario would be annihilated by a single Sath.

[General Battuta]

I'm quite sicks of discussions that derail because of cheats. This was supposed to be a serious thread(or, at least, an acceptable one). Cut the spam, guys...

The thing is, there is no real definitive way to kill a Sath, or anything for that matter. There are far too many variables, such as, where is it, how many ships can you sortie in time, does it have capital ship support, etc. etc. Just like there is no surefire way to resolve a hostage situation, for example.

Bull**** statements like "send in 80 Ursas" or "just throw in a few dozen Orions and Hecates" are just about as pointless as using cheats. There's no way you'd be able to sortie that many bombers in any reasonable space of time from an in-universe perspective. In order to have a proper discussion on the topic, a simple scenario such as "How to kill a Sath?!?!?!" isn't enough.

But HLP is not Spacebattles.com so screwit.

Yeah, this. Though I would've put it a bit more diplomatically, I concur with the general sentiment.

[Snail]

Yeah, this. Though I would've put it a bit more diplomatically, I concur with the general sentiment.

I don't do diplomacy.