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Offline DeepSpace9er

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As for wind and solar.. i think those are probably good solutions for areas without a comprehensive power system already setup.. however since solar can only work maximum 50% of the day and wind power is about as efficient, but still completely dependent on the weather conditions and out of our control, and since we cannot store the vast amounts of power we need to power society, they are not viable solutions to replace fossil fuel generation plants that have close to 100% uptime. If it cant be counted on to make steady, continuous power reliably, we shouldnt go near it.

  

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As for wind and solar.. i think those are probably good solutions for areas without a comprehensive power system already setup.. however since solar can only work maximum 50% of the day and wind power is about as efficient, but still completely dependent on the weather conditions and out of our control, and since we cannot store the vast amounts of power we need to power society, they are not viable solutions to replace fossil fuel generation plants that have close to 100% uptime. If it cant be counted on to make steady, continuous power reliably, we shouldnt go near it.
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Greenhouses stay warm in cold/cloudy conditions. Which is why the thing works at night, year-round.

Yes, these facilities require... vast tracts of land, but I think that they'd be perfect for some of the stabler regions in The U.S.

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Greenhouses stay warm in cold/cloudy conditions. Which is why the thing works at night, year-round.

 

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We're already sitting on an renewable energy source capable of sustaining human needs far into the future; geothermic heat. In fact, I read a scientific article on the subject not long ago that claimed yet another major breakthrough towards wider adaptation of geothermic heat as an alternative to nuclear power. Couldn't find the article now however.

Guess the problem is drilling deep enough and finding most ideal locations to build power plants on.

No the main problem with geothermic power is treating the water.
Heck, Hungary could have plenty of geo power, wherever we drill (for oil in the past), hot water comes up ready to run a heat engine.

The problem is that this water is really salty: we can't pump it right  back (the structure of the ground doesn't permit it), and it's too damn salty to use in agriculture or just to dispose of, since it would kill the soil.
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Re: Cold fusion a reality???
As for wind and solar.. i think those are probably good solutions for areas without a comprehensive power system already setup.. however since solar can only work maximum 50% of the day and wind power is about as efficient, but still completely dependent on the weather conditions and out of our control, and since we cannot store the vast amounts of power we need to power society, they are not viable solutions to replace fossil fuel generation plants that have close to 100% uptime. If it cant be counted on to make steady, continuous power reliably, we shouldnt go near it.
:wtf:

Yeah.. in case you havent noticed.. its not windy all the time, and the sun *gasp* sets at night.
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Re: Cold fusion a reality???
As for wind and solar.. i think those are probably good solutions for areas without a comprehensive power system already setup.. however since solar can only work maximum 50% of the day and wind power is about as efficient, but still completely dependent on the weather conditions and out of our control, and since we cannot store the vast amounts of power we need to power society, they are not viable solutions to replace fossil fuel generation plants that have close to 100% uptime. If it cant be counted on to make steady, continuous power reliably, we shouldnt go near it.
:wtf:

Yeah.. in case you havent noticed.. its not windy all the time, and the sun *gasp* sets at night.

I'm misquoted and my point was ignored. Huzzah!  :doubt:

By the way, in case you missed it the first four times, I'll show you in a larger font. Hell, I'll even throw in a fancy color on the crucial section, free of charge.

Greenhouses stay warm in cold/cloudy conditions. Which is why the thing works at night, year-round.

 

Offline DeepSpace9er

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I forgot the /quote] at the end and its corrected. That Tower looks like THIS from Armored Core 4.

 

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Is so horrific a waste of space and materials I don't even wanna talk about it.  10 square kilometers at least(my estimation is probably low) to generate 200 megawatts.  I don't know what magical world you live in, but that won't even touch the daily consumption of even a small city.  If you figure the average middle class consumer uses, say, 5 kilowatts per day, times even what I consider a small city of 50,000 to keep the math simple.  Thats 250,000kW, or 250mW, which is 125% the suggested output of the above station.

A city the size of NYC would have to have the entire state of New York and possibly part of Virginia also.

And if you can't get the nutjobs who support ecological power sources to OK the deployment of sea based wind turbines that would appear to be the size of toothpicks, because it would ruin the view from they're estates in The Hamptons, this would never get approved...ever...

Good idea, just pie in the sky, good time banana rock and roll impractical.

It's like suggesting that we build a power system like is seen in Gundam 00.(best gundam i've seen, realistic character writing, not too OTT till the end) That is to say, orbital elevators with a ring of power stations strung from tower to tower.
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Well done, you've applied it to one example and concluded it's useless everywhere.

 

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Because if NYC alone requires all of NY for wind farms, how much space to you have left over for each and every other major city?  We would run out of space before we got to Chicago.

 

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Wow, what a brilliant straw man argument: if we can't use it everywhere to solve everything to the exclusion of all alternatives it's useless!

 

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On geothermal, I dunno what the situation is in other countries, but here the biggest problem is that while we have all the required geology (Big hot granites with massive thick insulating sedimentay blankets on top) they're all way out in the desert, and the amount of energy you'd lose getting it back to major population centres makes it rarely economically viable. I think Adelaide is the only city where it has much chance of working, but, to be fair, they're well on their way towards getting that up and running. (Incidentally, the same sort of argument applies (In Australia) to these solar towers. We have the available land, it's just too far away from where we need the power. Of course, it'd be viable to power, say, smaller towns out in the desert or close to it.)

Even so, it (geothermal) wont solve our energy needs. I remember reading that even at maximum usage, we're only looking at  a fairly small amount of our overall power consumption (just shy of 7% according to Wikipedia, which sounds about right).

 Personally, I've always favoured a massively distributed power grid, with solar roof panels, wind turbines (off and onshore), tidal, hydro etc. etc. (all dependent on what you have available) with the occasional nuclear station around to supply baseload. So we still need nuclear.
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Wow, what a brilliant straw man argument: if we can't use it everywhere to solve everything to the exclusion of all alternatives it's useless!

It's not a straw man argument, it's completely impractical for ANY deployment because you need more space for the power plant than you do the city it's supposed to power.
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It's not a straw man argument, it's completely impractical for ANY deployment because you need more space for the power plant than you do the city it's supposed to power.
Ok, it's a meaningless argument then. You've arbitrarily decided that a power source bigger than the user is impractical.

 

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Ok, it's a meaningless argument then. You've arbitrarily decided that a power source bigger than the user is impractical.

Thereby eliminating the sun as well....Anyway, I agree that, as a main power source for big, first world cities, this is slightly impractical. as a concept, it's definitely interesting, but nothing more. (Plus, do you really think that covering large patches of desert with plants like these is going to go over well with the environmentalist crowd?)
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