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Offline Liberator

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Based on an intuitive analysis of current events and a basic knowledge of history I feel confident in coining the following phrase...

"We're doomed!"™  Not your garden variety, weakened economy, bad employment doom, but Dark Ages misery and the Fall of Civilization Doom.  The world is collapsing into barbarism and the leadership seems not only unable to stem the tide, but actually be welcoming the fall.

The problem with this is there is not enough raw materials for a future generation to claw they're way out of barbarism and back to civilization, much less the level of comfort and technology we enjoy today.  We fall now, we fall forever.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

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Space. We need to go there.
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Offline Liberator

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Won't help.

We're falling now, and it'll take 200 more years at least before we could consider an viable permanent XT colony that is completely self-sufficient, much less extra-solar.  By that time, your great grandchildren will be fighting for they're very lives against god knows what.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Any evidence for this claim?

Indicators of happiness, democracy, health, peace, and individual well-being are trending upwards around the world and have been for some time.

Population growth is shrinking.

By any objective measure we're in a golden age and it doesn't seem to be falling apart.

 

Offline Snail

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Doom shmoom.


Civilization may fall, but humanity itself will recover.

 

Offline The E

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Evidence, please. Hard, cold, irrefutable evidence. Not only that everything is going down the drain, but going down irrecoverably. Here's a hint: "Civilization" has never, ever ceased to exist, even back in the so-called "dark ages". Central european civilization took a nosedive, yes. Middle eastern, Asian, and native american cultures didn't seem to be bothered by that. Also, people have been crying about the downfall of civilization for millennia now, and it didn't happen. Chances are, it won't.

Any evidence for this claim?

Indicators of happiness, democracy, health, peace, and individual well-being are trending upwards around the world and have been for some time.

Population growth is shrinking.

By any objective measure we're in a golden age and it doesn't seem to be falling apart.

That. Pretty much so.
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I really need lifе to touch me
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Offline Liberator

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Renewed piracy on the worlds oceans.

Military Dictators who have stated that they want to wipe whole countries from existence developing the weapons to do and not being stopped by the "World Community" with it's supposed moral superiority.

Other countries developing delivery systems capable of deploying said weapons.

Still other, non-aligned organizations whose stated purpose is the ending of Western Civilization not being meaningfully eradicated through education and less peaceful means.

Need I go on...

When it finally happens, like the Patricians in Rome, you won't see it coming because you are bloated with confidence in own superiority.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline Solatar

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Every generation thinks it is special enough to be the end generation.

Several plagues and epidemics, two World Wars, a Cold War (threat of nuclear annihilation, anyone?), and countless other atrocities and humanity is still here; for better or for worse.

Sure **** may hit the fan, but if anybody can provide evidence to support the claim that THIS is finally it; please provide it.

There are plenty of problems to deal with (global society = global problems) but there's no evidence to suggest we've completely failed in meeting them. We're doing quite well. I'm not bloated by any confidence in my superiority, just the fact that we're not doing so badly. Military dictators want to rip apart whole countries? We haven't seen that in centuries...All that is just evidence progress is becoming a bit slowed down, not that we're regressing.

 

Offline Snail

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TBH I don't really care if half of the Middle East becomes uninhabitable or major cities get flooded as long as I'm not affected.

 

Offline TrashMan

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We're falling now, and it'll take 200 more years at least before we could consider an viable permanent XT colony that is completely self-sufficient, much less extra-solar.  By that time, your great grandchildren will be fighting for they're very lives against god knows what.

Rad Scorpions. Everyone knows that.



Oh...and GLOBAL WARMING...and ASTEROID STRIKES!
Let's not forget the SUN SWALLOWING EARTH. All are bound to happen.....sooner or later.*



*sooner or later may not refer to your specific view of sooner or later
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Renewed piracy on the worlds oceans.

No. Piracy getting more media attention, sure. More people trying to make a living by using force on the high seas, maybe. But not a sign that "CIVILIZATION IS ENDING OMGZOR!
Quote from: Wikipedia article on Piracy
Reports of piracy attacks were declining worldwide since 2004, but seems to have bottomed out in 2007.[41][unreliable source?]Figures reported by the International Maritime Bureau indicate incident reporting fell for the third year in a row in 2006. Ships reported 239 incidents to the IMB during the year 2006, down from 276 in 2005, and 329 in 2004.[42] But the piracy rose by 14% in the first nine months of 2007.[41][unreliable source?]

The maritime watchdog group points to better awareness of the magnitude of piracy and subsequent involvement by governments in combating piracy as factors in the decline.[43]

Yet hotspots remain. They include Indonesia, Nigeria, Somalia, and the ports of Chittagong in Bangladesh and Santos in Brazil, according to the International Maritime Bureau (IMB) 2006 Annual Report. Furthermore, experts caution that local problem areas can emerge quickly, despite a worldwide down trend in pirate attacks.

"When attacks hit a peak in 2000, at that time Somalia was just a blip on the radar screen," said the secretary-general of the Shipping Federation during an interview with the London Financial Times. "Then it becomes a big problem. Piracy tends to be a feature of areas where there is either lawlessness or real economic deprivation and it's very difficult to eradicate."[44]

The recent downward trend in piracy worldwide follows a period when attacks tripled between 1993 and 2003. The first half of 2003 was the worst 6-month period on record, with 234 pirate attacks, 16 deaths, and 52 people injured worldwide. There were also 193 crew members held hostage during this period.[45][46] In the first 6 months of 2004, 182 reported cases of piracy turned up worldwide, 50 of which occurring in Indonesian waters.[47]

The Piracy Reporting Centre of the International Maritime Bureau (IMB) stated in 2004 that more pirate attacks in that year occurred in Indonesian waters (70 of 251 reported attacks) than in the waters of any other country. Of these attacks, a majority occurred in the Straits of Malacca. They also stated that of the attacks in 2004, oil and gas tankers and bulk carriers were the most popular targets with 67 attacks on tankers and 52 on bulk carriers.

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Military Dictators who have stated that they want to wipe whole countries from existence developing the weapons to do and not being stopped by the "World Community" with it's supposed moral superiority.

Are you serious? There have alwaqys been nutcases in charge of some third-world country spouting that kind of nonsense. It's when they have resources to actually follow through on these threats that things start to get worrying (Last time that happened, it got called WW2. Right now, there's a whole lot of saber rattling, but starting another large scale war is thoroughly unlikely.)

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Othe r countries developing delivery systems capable of deploying said weapons.

So? Let's say North Korea starts some **** by nuking...erm....Japan? 30 Minutes later, Pyongyang is a parking lot. (Or something non-nuclear happens to them. Seriously, Neither Iran, nor Pakistan, nor Israel, nor North Korea are anywhere near the amount of world ending capability the USA and Russia managed to stockpile during the Cold War.)

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Still other, non-aligned organizations whose stated purpose is the ending of Western Civilization not being meaningfully eradicated through education and less peaceful means.

Because, as much as I would like to send every creationist on this earth into an education camp for applied evolution, I won't do it. Because, as retarded as some people are, they jstill have their right to their opinion, and I respect that. Oh, and random terrorist group #3 spouting crap like "We'll destroy western civilization"? Civilizations are notoriously hard to destroy.

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Need I go on...

When it finally happens, like the Patricians in Rome, you won't see it coming because you are bloated with confidence in own superiority.

Actually, yes, you need to.
What makes your doomy prediction of doom more accurate than, say, any other?
If I'm just aching this can't go on
I came from chasing dreams to feel alone
There must be changes, miss to feel strong
I really need lifе to touch me
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Offline captain-custard

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the price of beer is set to rise again.......


thats pretty compelling
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Offline Snail

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Srsly, this entire DOOM DOOM thing is a pile of bull****.

A few years ago, it was the prospect of MAD and the EVIL EVIL Commies. Before that is was teh EVIL EVIL Nazis. Before that it was the EVIL EVIL Spanish flu. Before that it was, something which I don't know because I suck at history.

Anyway, you get the point. No doom for you.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Renewed piracy on the worlds oceans.

If piracy is the worst security threat you can come up with, the world's in pretty good shape. Especially given the cohesive global response.

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Military Dictators who have stated that they want to wipe whole countries from existence developing the weapons to do and not being stopped by the "World Community" with it's supposed moral superiority.

Other countries developing delivery systems capable of deploying said weapons.

...and, again, the number of these dictators is decreasing. And with the Cold War over, we're farther from global thermonuclear war than ever before. So it seems like this front is calm. Not safe. But calming.

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Still other, non-aligned organizations whose stated purpose is the ending of Western Civilization not being meaningfully eradicated through education and less peaceful means.

Boy, as opposed to the past, where aligned organizations and empires with tremendous power tried to take over the world and commit genocide. Sounds like things are getting so much worse.


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Need I go on...

Apparently.

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When it finally happens, like the Patricians in Rome, you won't see it coming because you are bloated with confidence in own superiority.

Now that you might be right about -- but it's more likely to be a natural disaster than a human collapse.

 

Offline The E

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What Snail said. Unless something really unexpected happens (divine intervention, asteroids, aliens, cats developing opposable thumbs), the only thing you're doomed to is to see humanity simply going on despite the best efforts of doomsayers everywhere.
If I'm just aching this can't go on
I came from chasing dreams to feel alone
There must be changes, miss to feel strong
I really need lifе to touch me
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Offline Warlock

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Doom? No.

Some restructuring of the world wether good or bad....probably. But that's the cycle of life here on our little ball of dirt.

hell for such a doom and gloom economy we're in....I've never been doing better in my life. Wife and I are actually looking at buying our first house soon, I'm clearing 3 times what I was making when I was first hanging around these boards and the biggest concern was : "When are we getting FS3"   Ohhhh wait....should I not mention that again ?   :D
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Offline Snail

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Doom is no more imminent than it was at any other time in history.


The biggest threat really is probably something natural. Like an uberquake or a comet. Or some kind of supervirus.

 

Offline FSW

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This non-specific doom-mongering is not terribly convincing. Although millions may suffer due to war, famine, or climate change, civilisation is not going to end itself anytime soon. I think the fact that we (in the West) complain about things like the economy, drugs, and potential terrorism, rather than famine, total war, or incoming asteroids, is a sign that we're not facing an immediate existential threat.

A possible rise in sea levels due to climate change may be one of few real global 'threats', and even that is unlikely to collapse all that is civilised.

 

Offline Snail

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This non-specific doom-mongering is not terribly convincing. Although millions may suffer due to war, famine, or climate change, civilisation is not going to end itself anytime soon. I think the fact that we (in the West) complain about things like the economy, drugs, and potential terrorism, rather than famine, total war, or incoming asteroids, is a sign that we're not facing an immediate existential threat.

A possible rise in sea levels due to climate change may be one of few real global 'threats', and even that is unlikely to collapse all that is civilised.
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