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Offline JediMasterTim

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Unwinnable Situation
on: April 11, 2009, 06:30:58 pm
I was playing Silent Threat Reborn today when something new happened to me.  I had just finished rearming when something hit me (I'm not sure what) and completely killed my engines.  I thought, "No big deal, the support ship is right near me", but it was disabled too!

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3250/disabled.png

I was destroyed pretty quickly, but I'm curious.  Is there any way I could have gotten out of this?
 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #1 on: April 11, 2009, 06:32:25 pm
Were you listening to the message traffic at all?

That should explain everything.

Next time you replay, let me give you a hint -- take your wingman's suggestion right away!
  

Offline The E

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #2 on: April 11, 2009, 06:33:16 pm
Did your wingmen tell you to jump away, RIGHT NOW??? You probably should have, even if it doesn't show a directive to that effect.
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Offline JediMasterTim

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #3 on: April 11, 2009, 06:47:12 pm
Oh, so this was scripted?  That's kind of a mean trick after a long mission like this.  Having a wingman just recommend getting out of there doesn't seem strong enough of a warning.

But anyway, my original question still stands.  If both are disabled in ANY mission, is there any way out of the situation.
 

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #4 on: April 11, 2009, 06:52:41 pm
No. If they are disabled, escaping won't work, IIRC. In that specific mission, there should be a few comments from your wingmen before that event (Something like "Hey, has anyone heard from Command in the past 10 Minutes?", which is meant as an indication that something fishy is going on.)
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Offline SypheDMar

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #5 on: April 11, 2009, 06:54:37 pm
Quote from: JediMasterTim on April 11, 2009, 06:47:12 pm
That's kind of a mean trick after a long mission like this.  Having a wingman just recommend getting out of there doesn't seem strong enough of a warning.
I know.

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But anyway, my original question still stands.  If both are disabled in ANY mission, is there any way out of the situation.
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Offline Pred the Penguin

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #6 on: April 11, 2009, 07:19:21 pm
Why don't you just destroy it yourself? XD
 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #7 on: April 11, 2009, 07:25:06 pm
Quote from: Pred the Penguin on April 11, 2009, 07:19:21 pm
Why don't you just destroy it yourself? XD

Um, because his engines are disabled?
 

Offline Pred the Penguin

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #8 on: April 11, 2009, 07:31:56 pm
You can't turn when you're disabled? Completely forgot about that...
 

Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #9 on: April 11, 2009, 07:37:25 pm
Tell the Support ship to depart and call in a new one while maxxing your shields out...haven't tried it but it would be interesting to watch
 

Offline Aardwolf

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #10 on: April 11, 2009, 08:29:04 pm
How can the support ship depart if it's disabled? (Actually in FS1 I think there were some weird cases where disabled ships could depart, and I think one of the tables now sort of emulates that, ai.tbl or ai_profiles.tbl I think. Not sure which is which any more.
 

Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #11 on: April 11, 2009, 08:29:46 pm
Quote from: Aardwolf on April 11, 2009, 08:29:04 pm
How can the support ship depart if it's disabled? (Actually in FS1 I think there were some weird cases where disabled ships could depart, and I think one of the tables now sort of emulates that, ai.tbl or ai_profiles.tbl I think. Not sure which is which any more.

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #12 on: April 11, 2009, 08:52:28 pm
I replayed that mission twice... the first time I was expecting a directive of some kind or a more "reliable" source of objectives to tell me to jump away.

the second time around I was already prepared but even so I just tried to stay back and see if I could actually escape the dissabling attack some way.... disappointing I could not even see who dissabled me (guessing a sexp?)... the bad thing is that I pressed Alt + J right before dying and I appeared on the next mission without engines and with 5% hull.... what a unlucky day for alpha 1 :S

just jump away, you'll be fine after that ^^
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #13 on: April 12, 2009, 02:23:49 am
Bah. Getting disabled in that mission is not even the worst thing to happen. It sucked more to realize that in the original release jumping out wasn't required for ending the mission; all you had to do was to hit Alt-J. The next mission proved to be quite challenging without engines and support ships.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

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20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []
 

Offline ReeNoiP

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #14 on: April 12, 2009, 09:29:52 am
Aren't your comms also destroyed if you don't jump out? Meaning you can't even call the support ship.
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #15 on: April 12, 2009, 09:34:20 am
No. Or at least wasn't when I played. Only the engines.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []
 

Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #16 on: April 12, 2009, 09:35:01 am
Quote from: Lobo on April 12, 2009, 09:34:20 am
No. Or at least wasn't when I played. Only the engines.

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Offline Rodo

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #17 on: April 12, 2009, 11:15:18 am
never mind, you can call a support ship even without comms available.
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Offline Rhymes

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #18 on: April 12, 2009, 11:16:26 am
Yeah, that's so you can fix your ship.
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Offline TrashMan

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Re: Unwinnable Situation
Reply #19 on: April 12, 2009, 11:16:46 am
HEhe...I had to replay that mission cause I didn't jump out in time. :p
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