[kode]

Yeah, whatever. Who were you again?

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/23/1159216&art_pos=14 was kinda interesting too, too bad it got out, though.

[Blue Lion]

Yay more straw men! We're not gonna have to worry about any crows!

You just keep on arguing points no one brought up. That'll really put me in my place.

[kode]

Actually, I gave **** all about the five pages or so that sprung up while I was indisposed.

[Blue Lion]

So much so you're back to make crazy arguments and swear casually.

[kode]

Nah, it was really more that I was kinda interested in hearing your opinions on the "pirate bay for books" thing. Too bad you don't seem to have an opinion on it. I guess I'm a thief for buying used litterature, though. A couple of times I even bought from people I hadn't met before, courtesy of the internet. Makes me a cybercriminal too, then?

[Rick James]

You just keep on arguing points no one brought up. That'll really put me in my place.

Um. We brought them up.

[Blue Lion]

I didn't even read it.

But I'll let you sum up the major points.

Is the action these people are doing violate some kind of criminal or civil law? Is the owner of the work asking them to stop? Does the owner have legal recourse to stop this action?

Tada, argument over.

[Blue Lion]

You just keep on arguing points no one brought up. That'll really put me in my place.

Um. We brought them up.

And then you shot them down. That's what makes them straw men.

[kode]

I didn't even read it.

But I'll let you sum up the major points.

Is the action these people are doing violate some kind of criminal or civil law? Is the owner of the work asking them to stop? Does the owner have legal recourse to stop this action?

Tada, argument over.

I suggest you actually read the article.

[Blue Lion]

I didn't even read it.

But I'll let you sum up the major points.

Is the action these people are doing violate some kind of criminal or civil law? Is the owner of the work asking them to stop? Does the owner have legal recourse to stop this action?

Tada, argument over.

I suggest you actually read the article.

I did. And it offers zero information.

It doesn't say if renting books is illegal. Is renting books legal if it's an original copy?

Why would I know what Finland's copyright law is in regards to books?

But to answer the overall question "Whichever is legal"

[kode]

No, it's quite legal to rent out books you own.

I guess it's time for you to read up on the Berne convention then. Doing so would brush you up on just about all copyright laws in the world.

[Blue Lion]

No, it's quite legal to rent out books you own.

Then that lobby doesn't have much of a case, does it?

I guess it's time for you to read up on the Berne convention then. Doing so would brush you up on just about all copyright laws in the world.

How exactly does Finland's copyright law affect me here? If I possess copyrighted works here and I get hauled to court, is another countries copyright law going to help me?

"Did you buy that copy of 'Weekend at Bernies II'?"
"No sir, I did not"
"What is your defense then?"
"It's legal in Zanzibar!"

[kode]

That interesting straw man is precisely why you should read up on it.

[Blue Lion]

That interesting straw man is precisely why you should read up on it.

What other countries do in regards to their copyright law has zero bearing on what could happen to me here.

If Sweden removes all penalties for copyright law, I suddenly wouldn't get off the hook here.

If China puts super restrictive laws on copyrights, it won't affect me here.

[Kosh]

Yay more straw men! We're not gonna have to worry about any crows!

You just keep on arguing points no one brought up. That'll really put me in my place.

If anyone is the king of fallacious arguing it's you.

No you proved the Supreme court ruled that the transportation of the works didn't fit the description of the law.

The judge's opinion made it very clear that copywrite infringement is not theft.

You know theft, taking someone's property without their consent? (Intellectual Property would in fact be "property". It's in the name)

That's not larceny, which is the act of taking a physical object.

Theft is another word for larceny.

Main Entry:     larceny
Part of Speech:    noun
Definition:    theft

source

You said so yourself, copyright infringement should equal theft, inspite of of supreme court justice opinions thesaurus and legal definitions.

[ssmit132]

I'm pretty sure you're required to say exactly who gave it to you and where you got it from. You have to give credit to the author.

True, I forgot to add that.

What he means is copyright infringement isn't larceny, which is the theft of a physical object.

But the idea that it's not theft because it's not a physical object is completely bunk.

That's what I think too. I should really have put "if it was either copyright infringement of theft it's still wrong".

[Blue Lion]

Theft is another word for larceny.

Main Entry:     larceny
Part of Speech:    noun
Definition:    theft

source

You said so yourself, copyright infringement should equal theft, inspite of of supreme court justice opinions thesaurus and legal definitions.

I love that the link you gave also says robbery and burglary are the synonyms to theft. The are clearly fundamentally different.

Even in the Wikipedia link you gave says you really can't answer the question of it being theft.

Taking of physical property - Larceny

Taking of intellectual proprty - copyright infringement

They are both theft because theft is taking property which doesn't belong to you without consent.

[Kosh]

No, because copyright infringement isn't taking anything, it is making copies without permission, but you keep insisting in the face of blatant evidence to the contrary that this is not the case.

[Blue Lion]

No, because copyright infringement isn't taking anything, it is making copies without permission, but you keep insisting in the face of blatant evidence to the contrary that this is not the case.

No, it's not taking anything physical. That's why it's not larceny. You're taking intellectual property, which is why they take you to court and make you pay money, because there is no physical object to give back.

You pay money because it is worth something, and you took it. That is "theft".

[Kosh]

The dictionary definition of larceny is theft, as I pointed out.