[iamzack]

Relevant part bolded and color changed.

What happens in the small chance contraceptives fail? What if I'm raped? What if I know the baby will be defective?

Hell, what if I just made a mistake and don't want to shove an 8lb parasite out of my ladybits?

That's not a very good analogy. Kids that are already born aren't living inside of you causing you all kinds of physical discomfort, health problems, etc. I'm a bit sensitive to this issue, seeing as I do have a uterus and would be extremely opposed to having another person living in it.

No, but they can cause you physical discomfort, stress, exhaustion and health problems even outside.

So being inconvenient for a person is pretty much irrelevant.

But they are not destroying your bodily autonomy. They are not inside your body, leeching nutrients. A person can annoy me all they want, until they steal my kidney.

[Knight Templar]

Post-abortion syndrome is a complete lie.

"I don't want to be pregnant" is a perfectly good reason to kill a baby. See, I do believe that fetuses count as "human life." However, I also believe that no human has the right to live inside another human against their will, feeding off of them like a parasite, even if it's necessary to their survival.

That's like me stealing your kidney because I need one to survive. It's not a completely essential organ, and you'll survive if I take it for a while, say, nine months, and then give it back when I don't need it anymore.

Post-abortion syndrome is a lie? Uhh... no?

Also, "I changed my mind" is a terrible reason for abortion. There are a lot of good reasons to get an abortion. That doesn't mean it's appropriate to ****-n-flush repeatedly. I think there's a pretty solid underlying argument in that you really shouldn't be ****ing around if you're not prepared for the possibility of being a parent.

[iamzack]

Yeah, so I **** around and do what I can to not get pregnant. People make mistakes. Are you saying if I make a habit of jumping off rooves, and then break my leg one day, I'm not entitled to have it fixed?

[Turambar]

Yeah, so I **** around and do what I can to not get pregnant. People make mistakes. Are you saying if I make a habit of jumping off rooves, and then break my leg one day, I'm not entitled to have it fixed?

please don't start jumping off of roofs, i worry about you enough as it is.

[iamzack]

That's so irrelevant.

[Knight Templar]

Post-abortion syndrome is a complete lie.

"I don't want to be pregnant" is a perfectly good reason to kill a baby. See, I do believe that fetuses count as "human life." However, I also believe that no human has the right to live inside another human against their will, feeding off of them like a parasite, even if it's necessary to their survival.

That's like me stealing your kidney because I need one to survive. It's not a completely essential organ, and you'll survive if I take it for a while, say, nine months, and then give it back when I don't need it anymore.

Yeah, so I **** around and do what I can to not get pregnant. People make mistakes. Are you saying if I make a habit of jumping off rooves, and then break my leg one day, I'm not entitled to have it fixed?

... some stuff.. 

.... counter point... some stuff... punctuation...  There are a lot of good reasons to get an abortion... witty joke... more words... you really shouldn't be ****ing around if you're not prepared for the possibility of being a parent.

There were some irrelevant things inbetween, so I shortened it for you. Hope it helps.

Note: the two ideas aren't contradicting.

[iamzack]

So I should only have sex if I want a kid? Why, because I'm a chick and that's all that sex can possibly be for me? Uh.. no.

Besides, if I can't afford an abortion, I'd just punch myself in the gut until I miscarried. Problem solved.

[Knight Templar]

So I should only have sex if I want a kid? Why, because I'm a chick and that's all that sex can possibly be for me? Uh.. no.

Besides, if I can't afford an abortion, I'd just punch myself in the gut until I miscarried. Problem solved.

You're still reading into things that aren't there. I don't know how much bigger I can make my text. I can't remember typing "want" anywhere. I do remember typing "being prepared" though.

Also, way to try to pull feminism into it. Don't really care if you're a guy, girl, tranny, or a turtle. If you're boning down, be ready for the possibility of having to change diapers. If you're not ready, don't bone down.

[iamzack]

.. damn you s--

[NGTM-1R]

I wouldn't call it irrelevant. You can dump the kid in a gutter once he's born, but before, you're stuck with him unless you get an abortion.

EDIT: But that's not to say that the inconvenience constitutes an abortion if the person is not prepared for it, just so you know that's not what I'm saying.

wtf happened here? GHOST POST!

[Dilmah G]

 

[colecampbell666]

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[iamzack]

So I should only have sex if I want a kid? Why, because I'm a chick and that's all that sex can possibly be for me? Uh.. no.

Besides, if I can't afford an abortion, I'd just punch myself in the gut until I miscarried. Problem solved.

You're still reading into things that aren't there. I don't know how much bigger I can make my text. I can't remember typing "want" anywhere. I do remember typing "being prepared" though.

Also, way to try to pull feminism into it. Don't really care if you're a guy, girl, tranny, or a turtle. If you're boning down, be ready for the possibility of having to change diapers. If you're not ready, don't bone down.

So having sex and subsequently getting pregnant means I have to change around my entire life? No thanks. I'll just take the abortions.

[General Battuta]

Why? For stating the obvious?

There is this thing called tact, and it generally helps keep discussions from becoming heated.

Personal take:  I think that life begins, technically, at conception.  I am against abortions unless the pregnancy directly threatens the life of the mother.  "I don't want a baby" is not, to me, an acceptable reason.  If you don't want a baby, use contraceptives, or don't do it at all.  That seems to me like deciding to kill your kids just because you don't want to have to support them anymore.  "I don't want to support them anymore" is most definately not a good enough reason for a jury.  Now let's all agree to disagree.

(That's my opinion, deal with it.  It won't change, don't even try to do so, it will lead to Bad Things, as such things usually do.)

It sounds like you're pretty much in favor of abortion in all the cases I am: medical necessity, contraceptive failure, or sudden relationship change (i.e. father deserts.)

Or am I incorrect?

[Ford Prefect]

I don't see the relevance of the debate over which circumstances justify abortion. Either you believe a woman has the right to an abortion or you don't. You can be as disgusted as you want by her reasons-- that's not the question. Supporting her right to make the choice means you acknowledge that why she wants one is really none of your business. Only if you want to argue that she doesn't have that right is there a basis for a discussion with immediate, practical implications.

[iamzack]

I don't see the relevance of the debate over which circumstances justify abortion. Either you believe a woman has the right to an abortion or you don't. You can be as disgusted as you want by her reasons-- that's not the question. Supporting her right to make the choice means you acknowledge that why she wants one is really none of your business. Only if you want to argue that she doesn't have that right is there a basis for a discussion with immediate, practical implications.

yes

[Knight Templar]

I don't see the relevance of the debate over which circumstances justify abortion. Either you believe a woman has the right to an abortion or you don't. You can be as disgusted as you want by her reasons-- that's not the question. Supporting her right to make the choice means you acknowledge that why she wants one is really none of your business. Only if you want to argue that she doesn't have that right is there a basis for a discussion with immediate, practical implications.

Seeing things in black and white  is fun.

[iamzack]

Well, it's true. Murder's a black and white thing, innit?

[General Battuta]

I don't see the relevance of the debate over which circumstances justify abortion. Either you believe a woman has the right to an abortion or you don't. You can be as disgusted as you want by her reasons-- that's not the question. Supporting her right to make the choice means you acknowledge that why she wants one is really none of your business. Only if you want to argue that she doesn't have that right is there a basis for a discussion with immediate, practical implications.

yes

Y'know, I think I may need to adjust my stated stance, since this argument makes sense to me.

I might frown upon abortion in some cases, just as I frown upon some other decisions, but in all cases I will support the woman's right to make her own decision.

[Dilmah G]

I don't see the relevance of the debate over which circumstances justify abortion. Either you believe a woman has the right to an abortion or you don't. You can be as disgusted as you want by her reasons-- that's not the question. Supporting her right to make the choice means you acknowledge that why she wants one is really none of your business. Only if you want to argue that she doesn't have that right is there a basis for a discussion with immediate, practical implications.

yes

Y'know, I think I may need to adjust my stated stance, since this argument makes sense to me.

I might frown upon abortion in some cases, just as I frown upon some other decisions, but in all cases I will support the woman's right to make her own decision.

Yeah, well said. After all, it's their child and not ours.