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Offline Liberator

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Re: A Nation Of Cowards
Kara, the definition of redneck is "a glorious lack of sophistication".

Around here, it describes people who spend most of they're time getting drunk and causing trouble for the police.  If you feel like doing some digging, try and find video of someone from Alabama or Tennessee describing a tornado, the national media gets off on showing how ignorant and backward people from the South are.

The South is pretty much as illustrated in this pic, tho I don't include Virginia or West Virginia as part of The South.  Until you have travelled here and seen the area(s) you don't realize how different The South is from the USA that you see broadcast on your local CNN/BBC/insertwist


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you don't consider the Confederate capital, Richmond Virginia, to be part of the south?
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Offline Turambar

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North Carolina voted Obama

it's still the south though. 
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you don't consider the Confederate capital, Richmond Virginia, to be part of the south?
Well, TBH, Montgomery was the capital for most of the war.  It wasn't until the Union's burning of Atlanta that the capital was moved.

I like this map

The individual counties are shaded red and blue based on the percentage that the dems and repubs got in 2008.
Most of the country is red fading to blue except the areas in large cities and where there are easily manipulated, uneducated minority population.
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Offline Bobboau

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I like this one, because it doesn't give a 4000 sqare mile county ocupied by a single republican more impact than a two acre county with 2 million democrats.



the country is a bunch of blue and purple cities, with a hand full of red people living between them. funny thing is there really isn't a very significant north south divide.
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Offline General Battuta

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Yeah, I gotta say, Liberator, your map isn't very good. Land area doesn't have politics.

 

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Offline Liberator

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My point was to point out how unevenly distributed the support for leftist/liberal/socialist policies are, and how unevenly they get reported since the major news outlets are all located in major cities and get most of they're talent from those areas.

I also wanted to remind everyone that while 53% of the people that voted, did so for President Obama, there are 46% of that same group who did not.  And because of the nature of his job, he is just as beholden to listen to that 46% as he is the 53%.
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Funny how you never made the same claim about President Bush when he was in charge though.
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My point was to point out how unevenly distributed the support for leftist/liberal/socialist policies are, and how unevenly they get reported since the major news outlets are all located in major cities and get most of they're talent from those areas.
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I also wanted to remind everyone that while 53% of the people that voted, did so for President Obama, there are 46% of that same group who did not.  And because of the nature of his job, he is just as beholden to listen to that 46% as he is the 53%.

IT'S A CLEAR MANDATE!
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
CRITICIZING THE PRESIDENT IN THE TIME OF WAR IS PARAMOUNT TO TREASON!
FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!
lol wtf

 

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I also wanted to remind everyone that while 53% of the people that voted, did so for President Obama, there are 46% of that same group who did not.  And because of the nature of his job, he is just as beholden to listen to that 46% as he is the 53%.

Listen, yes. Follow, no. Just like GWB wasn't required to follow the advice of his political opponents.
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IT'S A CLEAR MANDATE!
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
CRITICIZING THE PRESIDENT IN THE TIME OF WAR IS PARAMOUNT TO TREASON!
FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

oh lol
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IT'S A CLEAR MANDATE!
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
CRITICIZING THE PRESIDENT IN THE TIME OF WAR IS PARAMOUNT TO TREASON!
FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

oh lol
:lol:

seriously, it's just too easy nowadays

lol wtf

 

Offline Turambar

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the only thing i see from Liberator's map is that the rednecks, farmers, and poorly educated are the ones who vote republican.

they also receive the most benefit from the 'socialist' policies, getting back more tax dollars out of the government than they put in.  go figure.
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It's pretty funny how quickly the same people who were telling everyone not to criticise the president turned around and started doing just that the second that they didn't have a president from their party in power.

Bunch of hypocrites.
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Well, TBH, Montgomery was the capital for most of the war.  It wasn't until the Union's burning of Atlanta that the capital was moved.

:wtf:

Montgomery was the capital for all of a month and a half at the very beginning of the war.  Richmond was the capital from May 1861 to April 1865, until just about a week before the war ended.
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Being critical of Obama's policies is not the same as the viscous personal attacks that were leveled against Bush.  I haven't seen many so called "hypocrites" treating Obama as the focus of evil in the modern world.  I'll be in crowd yelling 'FOWL!" when he announces some new, proto-socialist policy or spending bill, the same way as I would be cheering if he were to do something I liked.  The problem is he hasn't done anything I've like yet.  

He and his cronies wail and moan about compromise and cooperation and a "new tone" in Washington, yet when they're opponents make good faith offers or alternative suggestions that are "not quite" as radical as what they want, they just smile the same smile you give to your dog when taking him to the vet for a flea bath.  This is in contrast to most Republican programs under Bush where they went out of they're way to try and get the Dems on board.  This leads me to the conclusion that the Dems definition of "cooperation" is actually "my way or the highway".
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
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Many names, but always me.

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Being critical of Obama's policies is not the same as the viscous personal attacks that were leveled against Bush
True, because there has been no criticism of Obama's policies, but only personal attacks. 
HE'S A DIRTY SOCIALIST! (yeah, because SOCIALISM GIVES BIRTH TO EVIL DIRTY COMMUNISM doesn't it? oh hi you and you and you you're not communists yet oops)
HE POW WOWS WITH TERRORISTS! (oh wait they served on a few commissions together back on the education board in Illinois and hardly know each other otherwise BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!)
HE'S NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN SO HE CAN'T BE PRESIDENT! (oh wait he was born in Hawaii two years after Hawaii became a state and is thus legally a citizen)
HE'S A DIRTY MUSLIM WHO SYMPATHIZES WITH THE TERRORISTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST! (oh wait he was raised Baptist and his allegedly Muslim father was an atheist anyway)
HE'S AN IDIOT WHO HAS NO EXPERIENCE AND WILL THEREFORE LEAD OUR COUNTRY TO RUIN! (well except that he hasn't and his economic policy might actually help BUT WE'D LOOK LIKE IDIOTS IF THAT HAPPENED SO WE'RE JUST GONNA PRETEND IT'S NOT HAPPENING)
HE'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY ALL OUR LIBERTIES! FREEDOM IS IN JEOPARDY! (oh wait isn't that what this guy was all on about? oh and we did this and this and this and a little bit of this too BUT WE DID SO IT'S OK!)

Where's the constructive criticism?  I see personal attacks.

I'll be in crowd yelling 'FOWL!" when he announces some new, proto-socialist policy or spending bill, the same way as I would be cheering if he were to do something I liked.  The problem is he hasn't done anything I've like yet.
Given some of the things I've heard you say you believe in, I'm not surprised.

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He and his cronies wail and moan about compromise and cooperation and a "new tone" in Washington, yet when they're opponents make good faith offers or alternative suggestions that are "not quite" as radical as what they want, they just smile the same smile you give to your dog when taking him to the vet for a flea bath.  This is in contrast to most Republican programs under Bush where they went out of they're way to try and get the Dems on board.  This leads me to the conclusion that the Dems definition of "cooperation" is actually "my way or the highway".
Oh for the love of...

Obama has gone out of his way to reach across the aisle since he started his presidency.  It's not his fault the Republican Party is comprised of the remaining extreme neocons and the relics of the disastrous 1994 election that weren't voted out in the last two elections.  That or moderate Republican Congressmen who are so terrified of the RNC or the Republican National Senatorial Committee pulling their support if they, God forbid, support the stimulus package.  The Republicans have done nothing but oppose any bipartisan advance made by Obama and then cheered about it:
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The bill passed easily despite the opposition of all 177 Republican House members, but party leaders delighted in what they considered a victory after two straight electoral drubbings and much soul-searching about what the party stands for.
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"House Republicans said we would stand up for American taxpayers at this time of economic hardship for our nation. And last night, standing together, that's exactly what we did," House  Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) wrote yesterday in a memo to his colleagues that was released to reporters. "I am proud of our team."
It's not Obama's fault the Republican Party is run not by the RNC, its constituents, or even its Congressmen, but by fat loud bigoted and obnoxious radio and TV personalities from FOX News and EIB, who even the RNC Chairman feels he needs to apologize to after calling them for what they are.  It's not Obama's fault the most promising GOP candidates for President in 2012 are an obnoxious uneducated MILF or an uncharismatic patronizing governor that makes up stories. 

It's not Obama's fault the Republican Party is in complete shambles after fourteen years of a disastrous political policies under neoconservatism and has chosen this moment of economic disaster and toil to "reinvent themselves" and engage in partisan hackery rather than form a healthy relationship with possibly the most popular newly-elected President since JFK and work towards stabilizing the country.  No!  It's all Obama's fault for not getting the bipartisan support in Washington he promised, even if the other side REFUSES TO PARTICIPATE WHEN REACHED OUT TO!

As long as we're on the topic, which "good faith offers" or "alternative suggestions" are you mentioning?  Their empty, or rather, practically nonexistent alternative for economic stimulus?
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Let’s be honest: Yesterday’s House Republican budget rollout was a P.R. disaster for the GOP. “Here it is, Mr. President” was the title of the GOP Leader blog touting that they had answered Obama’s dare to produce a budget. The problem -- their budget rollout didn’t contain any hard budget numbers or deficit projections. They say those hard numbers will come out next week. But now we learn that Reps. Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan objected to unveiling yesterday’s “blueprint,” but were overruled by Reps. John Boehner and Mike Pence. But bigger than any internal disagreements or any criticism about a lack of details is the fact that yesterday’s GOP non-announcement moved the attention away from the Obama-vs.-congressional Democrat storyline to the GOP’s lack of a budget. In fact, after yesterday, the White House and congressional Democrats can agree on one thing: The GOP -- at least until next week -- is the “Party of No.” What's more, it puts more pressure on Ryan to truly put out a comprehensive budget alternative; Also, this episode could end up creating a rift in the GOP over how to combat the Obama White House. After all, Senate Republicans wanted nothing to do with an alternative, and now Mitch McConnell, et al are either laughing at their House GOP colleagues, furious at them, or both.
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Being critical of Obama's policies is not the same as the viscous personal attacks that were leveled against Bush.  I haven't seen many so called "hypocrites" treating Obama as the focus of evil in the modern world.  I'll be in crowd yelling 'FOWL!" when he announces some new, proto-socialist policy or spending bill, the same way as I would be cheering if he were to do something I liked.  The problem is he hasn't done anything I've like yet.  

He and his cronies wail and moan about compromise and cooperation and a "new tone" in Washington, yet when they're opponents make good faith offers or alternative suggestions that are "not quite" as radical as what they want, they just smile the same smile you give to your dog when taking him to the vet for a flea bath.  This is in contrast to most Republican programs under Bush where they went out of they're way to try and get the Dems on board.  This leads me to the conclusion that the Dems definition of "cooperation" is actually "my way or the highway".

This entire post is... unbeliavable.

You miss the astroturfed protests. You miss the right-wing narrative for the last 6 months. You do not read this http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/, you ignore the damn political history of the country you seemingly hail from. You essentially say that calling obama an illegal alien kenyan closet muslim and feeding militant feelings is not as bad as trying to stop a war.

You cannot blame other people for your own calculated ignorance and lies. Yet you do. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about yet you continue to do this in how many, three? threads simultaneously. You have never had any original thought whatsoever and there you are, smugly saying that "I haven't heard of something so it must not happen".

Oh and by the way, Obama does not do anything you like because he was not elected to enact some kind of cryptosexist laissez-faire theocracy with values from 1951.
lol wtf