[redsniper]

The thing is though, you can still assemble. You can plug your ears with something. You can man up and just deal with the noise. Or you can start vandalizing the things to make a point.

[Liberator]

All I see is a bunch of teenagers griping.

Put yourselves in the business owner's shoes.  You have a bunch of people who are blocking lawful traffic into and out of both your store and the parking lot, which in and of itself is dangerous, and you have it within your ability to break up the gathering.  Either by calling the police, and generating bad feelings which might lead to vandalism, or by installing this sound device which is sub-audible, but very effective.

Bear in mind, no one is saying anyone can't gather where they please, just which bits of private property they can do it on.

[Ghostavo]

All I see is a bunch of teenagers griping.

Put yourselves in the business owner's shoes.  You have a bunch of people who are blocking lawful traffic into and out of both your store and the parking lot, which in and of itself is dangerous, and you have it within your ability to break up the gathering.  Either by calling the police, and generating bad feelings which might lead to vandalism, or by installing this sound device which is sub-audible, but very effective.

Bear in mind, no one is saying anyone can't gather where they please, just which bits of private property they can do it on.

Have you even read the article?

[Mr. Vega]

So now you have to be an adult to even have the right to gather with your peers when you want to. Great job Lib, Blue Lion, Trashman, you little loyal Orwellians.

[iamzack]

I've never loitered anywhere with a group of teenagers in my life. :\

But I go to gas stations all the time, and I'm kinda sensitive to loud noise. I guess I would avoid those gas stations.

[Ghostavo]

So now you have to be an adult over 25 to even have the right to gather with your peers when you want to. Great job Lib, Blue Lion, Trashman, you little loyal Orwellians.

Fixed.

[Charismatic]

If they did that around here id throw a brick at them and break them.

[TrashMan]

Liberator and Trashman hate freedom.

Oh, I like freedom.
I just hate young people that have no decency, culture and respect.

[Blue Lion]

So now you have to be an adult to even have the right to gather with your peers when you want to. Great job Lib, Blue Lion, Trashman, you little loyal Orwellians.

Am I mistaken? Is it some kind of device that automatically creates this noise whenever 2 or more teenagers get together anywhere? Schools must be terrible.

Oh it's not? Well gee, you'd swear they could just go somewhere else then.

Would it be unconstitutional if they played jazz music or something? Are they not allowed to play sounds or just not ones that are designed to make you go away?

I'm pretty sure you don't go to other businesses that have radios and scream at them for violating your freedoms.

[Liberator]

Liberator and Trashman hate freedom.

Oh, I like freedom.
I just hate young people that have no decency, culture and respect.

QFT!

[iamzack]

Uh...huh...

So anybody who isn't just like you, then?

[Mika]

What ever happened to good old bouncers?

Back then stores had the right to choose their customers also. And throw out the rest if needed.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Been awhile since I saw this but I believe they are using these deterrents outdoors.  So basically you can't stand in front of the store and some people are more sensitive then others so even walking by the place can be annoying.  Imagine if every store on both sides of the street did that.  If they were using them indoors I don't think there would be an issue. 

[Mars]

Honestly, here in the US it would be a matter of days before said teenagers destroyed the devices. I don't know about there.

[Blue Lion]

They still use them in the US as far as I know

[esarai]

Bear in mind, no one is saying anyone can't gather where they please, just which bits of private property they can do it on.

Been awhile since I saw this but I believe they are using these deterrents outdoors.  If they were using them indoors I don't think there would be an issue. 

I'm not sure what the law is over there in Europe, but in my town outdoors is generally considered public property. Just because you own the store does not mean you own the sidewalk. We had a grief about that at my high school. Religious fanatics wandered on the property and started distributing their material. When the staff escorted them off the premises, they stopped at the sidewalk and resumed their business because it was technically public property, and no school faculty could order them away so long as they stayed there.  A private individual placing a mosquito in a public place is overstepping their bounds and authority, turning this from defense of property into harassment and/or abuse. The public arena is under management by police, and if they place these then they are within their rights, but just because it's in their jurisdiction does not make it by any means legal or ethical. A very strong case could be made that this destroys the right to peaceably assemble as it affects all members of a specific age group without accounting for their purposes. Although intended to discourage dangerous assembly, it inadvertently inhibits lawful assembly by making outdoor ventures painful. No one will want to be outside if they get a headache every time. It could also be considered unwarranted discrimination. In addition, the psychological impacts may prove to be even more dangerous than what the mosquito achieves. Irritable humans are not to be trifled with, especially when they're full of hormones.

[Blue Lion]

Does this mean that no sounds at all can be played outside because they may disrupt others?

Is my neighbor infringing my rights because I find his lawnmower annoying?

I'm just curious what the overall argument here is.

[iamzack]

The intent to drive away anyone under the age of 25 through irritants is the issue.

[Blue Lion]

I know why they're doing it.

What I meant was "What part of that is illegal or unconstitutional?"

The noise part or the intent part?

To me this is no different than the story owner standing next to the kids and going "lalalalala I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you"

[redsniper]

Now look, you say that intent matters in the piracy thread. So it matters here too.

To me this is no different than the story owner standing next to the kids and going "lalalalala I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you"

Yeah, and you could probably get charged with harassment if you did it enough.