Author Topic: Smoke? (Read 13941 times)

karajorma · **Reply #60 on:** May 08, 2009, 04:09:56 pm

The reason why I suggested a branch in ours is that every SCP coder will automatically get updates that way, set up your own and only those who bother to register with it will.

Plus if any part of your code is portable it makes it easier for us to notice and stick it into trunk and get an immediate benefit from it now rather than waiting two years until you're done.

Nuke · **Reply #61 on:** May 09, 2009, 05:41:32 am

i myself wouldnt mind a complete engine overhaul of anything that can be overhauled. id help if i could get my braincells to stop killing eachother.

aRaven · **Reply #62 on:** May 09, 2009, 07:16:43 am

I still don't understand why people have to attack people on the internet. It's so pointless and laughable.

Even if karx doesn't choose to support us or cannot keep his promises, we should welcome him nevertheless.

If he would only start now instead of answering assh*** like mongoose

.

PS: I have hair, I just choose to shave

chief1983 · **Reply #63 on:** May 09, 2009, 02:50:31 pm

If it's a rewrite like it sounds like, there wouldn't really be any code that could be ported, it would be too disconnected. Since it's not likely to share any real similarity to the existing code, a branch just really wouldn't make a lot of sense since it probably wouldn't even be based on the original code. There wouldn't be any need to copy the current code to a new branch, so a branch doesn't really apply, in SVN terms.

karx11erx · **Reply #64 on:** May 09, 2009, 04:03:27 pm

Quote from: aRaven on May 09, 2009, 07:16:43 am

PS: I have hair, I just choose to shave

I didn't really think you hadn't.

And I haven't promised anything yet. I explicitly stated that here already. I am extremely careful with giving promises, because I believe promises have to be kept.

aRaven · **Reply #65 on:** May 10, 2009, 09:15:13 am

Quote from: karx11erx on May 09, 2009, 04:03:27 pm

And I haven't promised anything yet. I explicitly stated that here already. I am extremely careful with giving promises, because I believe promises have to be kept.

This is good mental attitude right there! I like you already

blackhole · **Reply #66 on:** May 10, 2009, 08:11:05 pm

To he who dares tread into the realm of the FS2 rendering engine, I have but two words:

HAVE FUN!

</sarcasm>

I had a similar attitude towards the rendering engine when I first saw it. Then I tried fixing it.

karx11erx · **Reply #67 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:37:42 am

Blackhole,

grab the original D2X code. Then grab the D2X-XL code and compare.

Then you will know what I can do. I have dug my way through crappy code before.

karx

Bobboau · **Reply #68 on:** May 12, 2009, 05:11:16 am

ok, so all bsing aside, what exactly is it you have in mind, and be specific. I'm the guy who hacked together the interface (the D3D implementation I did has been disabled for a while now) for the current graphics pipeline, note I did this years ago while learning how to program, and there are a number of horrors I added to the already racooncity level coding mess we started out with. keep in mind one of the biggest hurtles has always been reverse compatibility.

are you planning a complete graphics abstraction layer rewrite, or are you just planning on improving the particle system.

karx11erx · **Reply #69 on:** May 12, 2009, 06:39:31 am

You hacked around in the FS code to learn to program?

I really don't want to offend anybody here, but are any of those who have tinkered with the FS code professional software developers, or at least software engineering students who knew what they did?

I mean, if I start to fiddle with the FS code, does that mean that I have to work with a messy code base that has been messed up even more by amateurs?

portej05 · **Reply #70 on:** May 12, 2009, 07:10:00 am

I'm sure a few of the programmers work in the industry.

But, I think you have the original codebase to thank. It's been organically grown from what was started with, and it is a credit to the SCP team that it still works, and that they've managed to grow a community around it.
I don't think there is a single person who would call the codebase 'clean' or 'beautiful'. The original team used the words 'horrifying atrocities' to describe the released code.

By all means, I encourage the development of a new codebase, including graphics pipeline, and base filesystems. But you've gotta realise that this community has been brought together by a love of the game (myself, the story is much better than any other game I've come across recently - IMHO) and a desire to improve the engine and the available campaigns and missions.

Your level of experience will help with developing a new engine, however, we're not all professionals, and working on this game engine has taught some people rather a lot. I look forward to seeing what you can bring to the team.

karx11erx · **Reply #71 on:** May 12, 2009, 07:43:31 am

If I ever will.

blackhole · **Reply #72 on:** May 12, 2009, 07:20:19 pm

Quote from: karx11erx on May 12, 2009, 04:37:42 am

Blackhole,

grab the original D2X code. Then grab the D2X-XL code and compare.

Then you will know what I can do. I have dug my way through crappy code before.

karx

Your funeral

That's not to say I don't appreciate the help your trying to offer, I'm just giving you fair warning about what your stepping into. It's not gonna be a piece of cake.

chief1983 · **Reply #73 on:** May 12, 2009, 08:30:18 pm

He hasn't actually offered anything yet, everything up to this point is mere speculation and what-if. So I think it would be good if everyone stopped assuming he's already offered to rewrite FSO or something. And I'm pretty sure he knows exactly what he's going into, considering the code bases were written by many of the same programmers with probably a significant shared code base, he's probably seen a lot of it before.

jr2 · **Reply #74 on:** May 15, 2009, 07:09:02 pm

Hmm. Dunno if he'll be able to or not, and I can't program anything, so I'll stay away from any of the points made here, but I have to say, I use D2X-XL, and if karx can help do a re-write, that'd be really cool. I have always kind of wondered about the possibility of a complete re-write of the FS2 engine, but it's kinda pointless for me to wonder about such things, as like I said, I'm not a programmer at all. Whatever happens, thanks for considering it, karx. And if you do re-write the code I'm going to have something to dream about for the next few years.

chief1983 · **Reply #75 on:** May 16, 2009, 01:41:19 pm

Again, it wouldn't be the first time it was considered, Ferrium was supposed to be a complete _blind_ rewrite of the entire engine. But he might have the attention span to finish it off. IF he's interested. (Get it? It's a 'big if')

jr2 · **Reply #76 on:** May 17, 2009, 07:14:00 pm

He does. IF he so chooses.

Dark RevenantX · **Reply #77 on:** May 17, 2009, 08:27:38 pm

What's with the if's? It's obvious that nobody here is obligated to work on the SCP, or on FreeSpace related projects at all. Whether or not he chooses to do this is (I'm guessing) based on the enjoyment he'd get out of it. When you're working for free, enjoyment (in some cases, experience) is the only real driving force.

On an unrelated note: Karx, while he may have more experience and technical ability than the rest of the team, isn't the messiah. Should he decide not to work with Freespace, there's others of his skill out there. It's just a matter of fortune to happen upon one. That doesn't mean, however, that we actually will find another...

CmdKewin · **Reply #78 on:** May 18, 2009, 06:04:16 am

Quote from: karx11erx on May 12, 2009, 06:39:31 am

I really don't want to offend anybody here, but are any of those who have tinkered with the FS code professional software developers, or at least software engineering students who knew what they did?

A "Software Engineering" degree is in no way a guarantee of perfection. Even professionals can "screw up". And you got plenty of examples for that.

p.s.: I would even go as far as saying that "software engineering" is really useless in the industry, even though I was trained as one.

Bobboau · **Reply #79 on:** May 18, 2009, 06:07:26 am

dammit I was hopping to have some code talk...

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