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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
I guess you don't like freedom. I also think there should be more rules.

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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
I'd just like to add that I think Aspergers isn't a real medical condition, and is just one of those bull**** 'illnesses' that soccer moms made up to justify why their kid is an asshole all the time.

And even if it was real - which is quite clearly isn't - it's an explanation, not an excuse.

If you have Assburgers and act like a ****, you're still acting like a ****.
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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
An0n, you have a nasty habit of trolling and having a point at exactly the same time...

I'll agree the world has 'Syndrome Syndrome' at the moment, certainly, but I think there's more to Aspergers than simply 'bull****', methinks you've been reading up on certain American politicians and their comments regarding Autism ;)

As for the whole 'you act like what you act like', this, I have to agree with, there can be mitigating circumstances, but certainly no excuse.

 

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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
While not put in the most tactful way, there are quite a few researchers who do agree that it's not a disorder so much as simply a different personality type.
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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...

If you have Assburgers and act like a ****, you're still acting like a ****.

In other words, you feel if the condition exists, those people are close enough to normal and smart enough to take responsibility for the way the act and talk, and they can control how they talk, and I agree with you, if that is the way you intended your post to be taken. You are right.

No, I'm saying that they could have severe autism and if they punched me in the face, I'd still kick their heads in.

'Personality disorders' do not excuse your actions.

Even if someone's completely monged, they're still responsible for their actions - except in cases such as Tourettes, where their physical actions are largely independent from their personalities and cognitive processes.

An0n, you have a nasty habit of trolling and having a point at exactly the same time...

I'll agree the world has 'Syndrome Syndrome' at the moment, certainly, but I think there's more to Aspergers than simply 'bull****', methinks you've been reading up on certain American politicians and their comments regarding Autism ;)

As for the whole 'you act like what you act like', this, I have to agree with, there can be mitigating circumstances, but certainly no excuse.

How do you think I manage to last more than a day without being banned?

To paraphrase Yuppygoat:

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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
@iamzack or iamjack or whatever: Then please stop whining about my acting like a bigot. I'd rather not waste my time on you. You started it this time. Like Flipside said, let it go. I'm not responding to any other comeback you have.

I did sort of warn you this sort of thing would happen. If you don't want the public ridicule, get off the public forum. Granted, Zack is a troll, and a delightfully inept one at that (it lacks the sheer unmitigated offensiveness of an0n when he tries, for example, and there's no subtlety to it either), but still. The issue's there.

@NGTM-1R: I used to lack confidence thanks to being made fun of a lot in high school and knowing I had a condition and other things, and always told myself I was cursed and not good enough for anyone. But then as I got older and smarter and improved myself, I realized it was not a curse but a gift. So I now sometimes appear to have too much confidence and if people don't like me, I just think to myself that I'm too good for them and I keep my confidence in myself up and I think and say that they may be luckier than me when it comes to having a love, kids, a big family, and lots of friends, and not many bad experiences, but at least I have more intelligence overall, strength in body and mind overall, and health than they do.

Dead ringer. Something like this tended to drift through my mind during high school, mainly because no one in their right mind at the point in time would mess with me after I came very close to killing someone in middle school. It wasn't until junior year I realized it was probably bull**** (probably not coincidental my grades and social interactions improved around then) and until senior year I outright realized that being able to become a sociopath as though a switch is flipped is Not A Good Thing.

While that's not the issue you have, you have reacted the same way and rationalized you've made strength out of weakness. I hate to break it to you, but from where I'm sitting there's no evidence of that. You've compounded the problem by having the bad grace to assume it's made you better than others out loud, which I didn't do. I did, on occasion, show some scorn for others...but they were others like me. When there was the school shooting in this area, I observed aloud that this kid had it no worse then I did, and I'm hardly bat**** insane enough to go shoot up the building (that caused some interesting reactions). But I was never so self-absorbedly blind as to assume it made me better than everyone.

Confidence is vital to improve one's self, as well as motivation, effort, and commitment. Those are the 4 things I came up with when it coes to improving one's self. Sometimes I think that if people have too many people in their life, it makes them too weak to handle loneliness or do things on their own (which is probably true in most cases), and they are taking a big chance of getting hurt if they open their heart too much and are too trusting and naive.

Samuel Eliot Morison once observed "One learns more from defeat then from victory." As long as you think this is making you win, you're not learning from it. That you aren't learning from it is evidenced by your wandering, rambling posting style. We are social animals. No human is meant to be alone. We aren't equipped for it.

However, I do have a humble side. For example, I don't like to be the center of attention, especially on birthdays, and I will admit that I always have things to learn in life and I do not know it all. I also don't like to speak in front of crowds in person or do speeches in person. I'm shy and scared when it comes to that. I also don't want to be a leader or be popular. That is my humble side.

Also, even if my social skills are not perfect, the more intelligence someone has, the less they need other people's help and therefore social skills aren't as necessary when it comes to survival. I just try to do as much as I can without help, even if offered help. I want to learn and get more experience is why.

There is no way better to convince people you are not humble then to claim that you are. While amusingly I too find birthdays something a waste (at least online; one of my goals one year was to ensure nobody I didn't know personally knew I was having a birthday, but Mobius ruined it :P), that doesn't prove you're humble. It proves you're not confidant being the center of attention. Much the same can be said about your aversion to leadership, popularity, and public speaking. Calling that humble is bull****, that's pure being frightened. You're trying to paint yourself as confident and refuting yourself at the same time.

No man is an island. No man ever will be. You will always need your social skills, and you in particular will need to improve them. (Also your communication skills, rather seriously. Way off the point again.)
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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
an0n, I would tend to agree, because there probably is a significant level of premature diagnosis of ASDs.  But there's also a huge overlap of near savant like abilities within the diagnosed, so there must be _some_ sort of condition at play.  But as has been said by researchers, not all autistics are savants, and not all savants are autistics.
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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
No matter how hard I dry, I still walk into every desk i see in school. It's a self esteem nightmare to just go sharpen my pencil.

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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
While not put in the most tactful way, there are quite a few researchers who do agree that it's not a disorder so much as simply a different personality type.


Actually it's not. There are some major differences.

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Thank you. It is good to be a bigot to people you don't agree with and stand up for what you believe in. After all, western culture is about giving people freedom to be a bigot and express opinions. So too bad for you. I guess you don't like freedom. I also think there should be more rules.


Western culture is about letting people expressing their views in a reasonable, civilized way.


You do have serious communication and perception problems, you have much to learn.


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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
This has gone far enough, even by my standards. Lock plz

This is just going to turn into a flamewar

 

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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
Everyone has much to learn, even you. I just got done saying that I don't care to fit in. I fit in with who I want to fit in with and fitting in with people I never met makes it invalid and desperate anyways. I'm not going to fake agreeing with others and talking emotional just to act what you all call more normal. Or must I be polite to be what you call more normal or do what others do, even if I feel it to be bad? If that is the case, I don't want to be normal and ordinary since that would give me less value anways and make me more like a drone and not my own person. Also, I act more polite and different on the job since one has to and I can show much better social skills, but on a forum or at home, it's not so important and many people on the forum don't anyways in one way of another and I show less restraint or care of how people think of me unless they know me personally. In the real world, I act more normal, as you call it, since it is more important what people who you are around in person think in public places, who know you, and stuff. But I don't have to prove anything. Talk is cheap and can be interpreted as babbling. So I should stop for now before I am interpreted once again as having comm problems. Some of the time, I am just being sarcastic with my responses but people can also take that as a problem with my communication and my actually meaning what I say and misreading people.

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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
Enough, this boards getting too bloody Dramatic.

 

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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
id monkey zack and reopen the thread, but thats just me.
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Re: Maybe I have what you call a condition, but these days, I wouldn't think so...
I thought about that to be honest, but this is one of those conversations that is a powder-keg anyway, it will explode sooner or later, and whilst it might be amusing to watch, probably better to pour water on it now ;)