[butter_pat_head]

seeing Phasers used defensively? Awesome.

I kinda thought it nice to see ST fit some proper projectile PD turrets along with the regular beam Phasers on the USS Kelvin.  As for the Enterprise's phaser bolts?  Those kinda things only belong in two places, The Wrath of Khan and the DS9 era USS Defiant!  The Shields in this film are about as useful as those on a Imperial class star destroyer and I'm pretty sure that Gene Roddenberry specifically stated that the ships in Star Trek must not look like they were rocket propelled (hence the differences on the Enterprise's nacelles between TOS seasons 1 and 2).

Well, again I say the film was still not a bad one.  Certainly better than Nemesis in some aspects.

[Nuke]

are you kidding, nemesis was mega lame

[an0n]

Shinzon was a far better villain than Nero.

At least he had valid reasons for the **** he did.

[Nuke]

shinzon, and his ship were both pretty badass. my problem with nemesis is that it was too slow and seemed to wussify a veteran crew. but mainly it recycled elements from things that had already been done before in trek. for example it seemed they introduced a wrath of khan style space battle (a long drawn out tactical battle between 2 crippled ships) to keep people from getting bored while they explore moral quandaries regarding the ancient nature vs nurture debate.

i cant compare the new movie to nemesis until i see it, of course. so im waiting for some geek with a hat cam to record it off the movie screen and put it up on pirate bay so i can watch it. i just know that nemesis is like very low on the list of my favorite star trek movies/shows.

[an0n]

Already done, dude.

DEViSE release. It's a little askew, but it's a pretty damn good 0-day cam rip.

[General Battuta]

I went in prepared to be really impressed; the trailers had me amped up.

I'm afraid to say I'm now in agreement with Goob and an0n.

[Lt.Cannonfodder]

i cant compare the new movie to nemesis until i see it, of course. so im waiting for some geek with a hat cam to record it off the movie screen and put it up on pirate bay so i can watch it. i just know that nemesis is like very low on the list of my favorite star trek movies/shows.

Wait, you are going to watch a big screen movie with big part of it's appeal relying on the stunning visual and sound effects as a blurry, shaky, skewed and poor resolution avi some jackass recorded on a backwater theater? You are kinda missing the whole point you know 

[Black Wolf]

Ugh. So torn. I share the general belief that as a film, it was good. Lots of action, occasional proper funny bits, people actually dying and whatnot. But so many things were just wrong with it. I know it's a reboot and I know that the second time around it'll be better, once they've gotten rid of all the exposition and the getting of the crew together, but still... was a solid film, but a very weak Star Trek.

Oh, and yeah, anon's right about the dialogue. I remember wincing more than a time or two. A lot of the actors were able to rise above the lines they had to say, but still...

Echoing what seems to be a fairly common sentiment around the internet, the new McCoy was awesome, but the new Uhura was pretty rubbish. What the hell was the deal - She refuses to tell Kirk her first name for three years, and he never just looks her up or something? I'll accept that as maybe a ref to the fact that she only had one name in TOS, but why did they have to pair her off with Spock? I'd've been happier to see nothing significant done with Uhura until the next movie that shoehorn her into the script in an odd and totally off character way.

[Kosh]

It was fun to watch, and there were many moments that I enjoyed, but I basically feel betrayed as a fan.  They basically shredded the existing continuity and then crapped all over it.  And the worst thing is that they can't pass it off as a harmless alternate timeline, because they present it as the actual timeline produced as a direct result of events in the timeline we knew up until now.

I also disagree. When the moment that romulan ship and spock went back through time they created a branch in the timeline that goes off in another way. The trek universe we grew up with still exists, but the alternative is what the re-booted trek will focus on (since they pretty much ran out of ideas for the original timeline). 


EDIT: Yeah, and I forgot to mention that this was one of the most awesome movies I've seen in a long time.

[Locutus of Borg]

Ugh. So torn. I share the general belief that as a film, it was good. Lots of action, occasional proper funny bits, people actually dying and whatnot. But so many things were just wrong with it. I know it's a reboot and I know that the second time around it'll be better, once they've gotten rid of all the exposition and the getting of the crew together, but still... was a solid film, but a very weak Star Trek.

Oh, and yeah, anon's right about the dialogue. I remember wincing more than a time or two. A lot of the actors were able to rise above the lines they had to say, but still...

Echoing what seems to be a fairly common sentiment around the internet, the new McCoy was awesome, but the new Uhura was pretty rubbish. What the hell was the deal - She refuses to tell Kirk her first name for three years, and he never just looks her up or something? I'll accept that as maybe a ref to the fact that she only had one name in TOS, but why did they have to pair her off with Spock? I'd've been happier to see nothing significant done with Uhura until the next movie that shoehorn her into the script in an odd and totally off character way.

Black Wolf, I'm frightened.

The next movie will be about Kahn (that's my guess)

I wanted to scream at the end of the movie. Yes, ti was a good contained film; but it didn't make sense. I feel that, even though a lot of things you hear on Star Trek are made up, they make sense in-universe when explaining things.

There were some things in this movie that just made me want to scream.

- Jettisoning a rebelious crewmember?
- Coincidently finding Spock on Hoth?
- A supernova which can destroy the galaxy (yes he said it)
- Nero has to destroy Spock's homeworlds because...Spcok got caught in traffic in the 24th century? 
- Uhura + Spock = WTF have you ever watched TOS?
- Star Wars-y weapons (bolts not beams)
- Hyperspace!
- The Ferengi-dar with Scotty

[The E]

Black Wolf, I'm frightened.

The next movie will be about Kahn (that's my guess)

The same way that this movie was about V'Ger?

I wanted to scream at the end of the movie. Yes, ti was a good contained film; but it didn't make sense. I feel that, even though a lot of things you hear on Star Trek are made up, they make sense in-universe when explaining things.

There were some things in this movie that just made me want to scream.

- Jettisoning a rebelious crewmember?
- Coincidently finding Spock on Hoth?
- A supernova which can destroy the galaxy (yes he said it)
- Nero has to destroy Spock's homeworlds because...Spcok got caught in traffic in the 24th century? 
- Uhura + Spock = WTF have you ever watched TOS?
- Star Wars-y weapons (bolts not beams)
- Hyperspace!
- The Ferengi-dar with Scotty

Not much to say about this. You are right in most cases, BUT:
Uhura+Spock was one of the best things in this Film for me (Just as Arwen deciding to leave was in LOTR), because I did not expect it.

As I said, I liked this film, but then I am not that married to Star Trek canon as other people are. When I went into this film, I was hoping for a fun Sci-Fi flick that would do interesting and new things with the Franchise. I was not disappointed. YMMV wildly, of course.

[an0n]

If you're not a Trek fan, and you like this movie based on it's own individual merits, then you're a ****ing retard who doesn't deserve the power to shape the entertainment industry inherent in your being allowed to buy a ****ing ticket.

It was actually worse than Phantom Menace in terms of pure cinema, so get ready for an absolute cluster**** of bull**** and faggotry when every half-capable director decides that after that sack of crap movie they won't touch the franchise with a ****ing barge pole.

[The E]

If you're not a Trek fan, and you like this movie based on it's own individual merits, then you're a ****ing retard who doesn't deserve the power to shape the entertainment industry inherent in your being allowed to buy a ****ing ticket.

As opposed to your not shaping the industry by NOT buying a ticket?
What would a Star Trek film have to do to be worthy not only of YOUR money, but also be successfull enough to make making another one a good business proposition?

It was actually worse than Phantom Menace in terms of pure cinema, so get ready for an absolute cluster**** of bull**** and faggotry when every half-capable director decides that after that sack of crap movie they won't touch the franchise with a ****ing barge pole.

In your not-so-humble opinion. Please try to remember that your opinion may or may not equal mine, and that your opinion isn't more credible or more true because it's you saying it.

[an0n]

You're right, mine's worth more because I know what I'm talking about. Everyone is not a special little butterfly whose opinions are as equally valid as everyone else's. Because most people are just idiots.

When you've watched Citizen Kane and hundreds of subtitled foreign movies - and rewatched movies you've hated just so you can "give the cinematography a second chance" - then maybe you can attempt to patronize me.

Till then, I remain singularly right.

What would a Star Trek film have to do to be worthy not only of YOUR money, but also be successfull enough to make making another one a good business proposition?

Have a plot that didn't involve a mining foreman being magically sent back in time by a blackhole, stealing a bleeding-edge shuttlecraft from his race's most hated enemy, somehow using his incredible knowledge of advanced mining techniques to hack said shuttle's systems and learn how to operate the doomsday weapon inside.

And let's not forget that his solution to the whole "a supernova blows up my world 200 years in the future" situation wasn't to go and use the blackhole machine to actually destroy the star before it became a supernova, but instead to try and annihilate the tiny handful of people who'd gone and tried to save Romulus.

Then there's the small matter of a Romulan mining foreman having such an intimate understanding of the mechanics of blackhole-based time travel as to be able to predict the exact time and location Spock's shuttle would be thrown out.

Or that he felt the need to spend an hour drilling into the core of Vulcan before deploying his blackhole machine, because clearly a blackhole is only effective when thrown into the core of a planet. Which, incidentally, we've apparently decided is made of solid rock and not a seething mass of boiling liquid magma which would be entirely impossible to 'drill'.

Or maybe you'd prefer we discuss the small matter of how a single drop of the blackhole goo managed to destroy the entirety of Vulcan, and yet hundreds of litres of it only managed to create a blackhole just large enough to destroy the mining ship which was actually all-but-in-orbit of Earth at the time.

Any of those things, in my humble opinion, might have been somewhat of a small mistake.

[The E]

You're right, mine's worth more because I know what I'm talking about. Everyone is not a special little butterfly whose opinions are as equally valid as everyone else's. Because most people are just idiots.

When you've watched Citizen Kane and hundreds of subtitled foreign movies - and rewatched movies you've hated just so you can "give the cinematography a second chance" - then maybe you can attempt to patronize me.

Till then, I remain singularly right.

Hmm. So, you've watched movies. So have I. But where I watch movies to be entertained, you seem to have higher standards. Fair enough.
Oh, and since I can not prove the validity of your statement (just as you cannot prove my lack of cinema experience), your opinion still remains your opinion, NOT some sort of unassailable fact.
All I said was that this movie entertained me. That I didn't feel like I had just wasted time and money watching it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[an0n]

I disagree.

I think you were entertained to lax standards based around the general suckery of modern big-budget cinema. What you perceived as entertainment was the equivalent of having a bar of chocolate mushed into your brain. It wasn't healthy. It wasn't nutritious. It wasn't carefully crafted from the freshest, finest ingredients. It was a soup of ingredients mixed together in a vat in a factory somewhere, stamped out in bars by the million and injected into your skull alongside enough sugar to make you smile and drool for two hours.

THAT is my biggest problem with this movie. That people will watch it and completely ignore the lack of a coherent plot because at least it was pretty and **** kept blowing up.

It's a ****ing awful movie and if all it takes to gain your favour is some pretty colours and attractive people blowing **** up, you might as well skip the DVD release and just get some weed and softcore sci-porn and save me the trouble of having to listen to every dumbass mother****er whine on about how "it's got so much action! "

[The E]

Look, when I want to spend a few hours of (relatively) mindless fun with my friends, I'll hit the cinema (And if you can say that time spent with people you like is time wasted with a straight face, you fail). When I want to be deeply, richly entertained, I'll grab a book. Or get a few people together for some Pen&Paper RPing. I certainly do not look to big cinematic releases when I'm on the hunt for deeply engaging plotlines or characters (Or Logic). If any of those are present, it's a welcome bonus, but I do not expect to see them in a movie made for the PG-13 crowd.

So, yeah. All I expected from this (and any other big movie) was a bit of brain candy. I got what I was looking for.

[Scorpius]

I grew up on Star Trek and I thought it was good to see that the reboot was done well.  This gives the franchise a chance to redeem the Star Trek name because I believe that it was Star Trek (and the people it attracts) that made people dislike sci fi in the general culture.

 For example: whenever I tried to get people to watch Battlestar Galactica, they would often say: "Its not like Star Trek is it?" I had to assure them that it was nothing like Star Trek and even then they refused to watch it on the merrits of the fact it was sci-fi. (hell I couldn't even get my girlfriend to see it because of the fact it had the Star Trek name.)

I think this is a good attempt at making Sci-fi palatable again.

And is anyone surprised that an0n so emphatically disagrees with the general consensus?

[an0n]

No, this goes beyond my general auto-trolling.

Movies are one of the few things I know and care enough about to consider them a 'hobby' or an 'interest'.

Like I said, I'll sit and watch all the foreign language films that show up at the Toronto film festival. I'll buy the DVDs that only ever barely achieve cult status. I'll make note of the directing and lighting as I'm watching Zombie Strippers. If something... Like with 9 - the movie about the little post-apocalyptic ragdolls. When I heard about that, I went and watched the original no-dialogue short that it's to be based upon.

I watch movies. All movies. Any movies.

I bought Starship Troopers 2 and have seen the third one three times - and I can sit and go "Well, it's poorly executed, but if they'd had a little more money and a stronger cast this could've been pretty good."

But Star Trek is very visually pretty and just plain bad in every other regard.

[General Battuta]

I agree with an0n. They could have put together a credible, internally consistent plot, a la The Dark Knight. Instead, we got this mess.

Even Leonard Nimoy was saddled with a bunch of awful exposition.