[Blue Lion]

Yea I'm not sure what freedom that kid has

[Goober5000]

What about making decisions that put other people's lives in danger? Specifically, a child's life?

His parents didn't give him the cancer.

[blackhole]

What about making decisions that put other people's lives in danger? Specifically, a child's life?

His parents didn't give him the cancer.

His parents are also denying him a treatment that has a 90% success rate. Without it, he has less the a 5% change of living. How can you justify removing 85% of a child's chance to live? The kid didn't deserve to get cancer, but the kid doesn't deserve to die at the hands of his tragically confused mother either. He has a very good chance of surviving this if he just took the chemo treatment. The mother isn't allowed to remove him from this treatment and essentially condemn him to death (with 95% certainty) , because its child abuse, if not outright murder of a minor.

Removing her child from treatment caused harm to the child and has put his life in danger. This is called child abuse, and it's against the law. If this wasn't against the law, then you'd have to let parents beat their kids and starve them as punishment too. There are reasons we have these laws, and its to save innocent children. Are you really willing to watch this kid die when we could save him so easily? Do you really think that a parent should have so much control over their children that those innocent children will die because of mistakes their parents made? We're not animals (behaviorally), we don't eat our own young, we aren't going to let survival of the fittest govern who is and who isn't going to live.

[Kosh]

What about making decisions that put other people's lives in danger? Specifically, a child's life?

His parents didn't give him the cancer.

No but they refused to give him the treatment for it. Textbook medical neglect.

[BlackDove]

What about making decisions that put other people's lives in danger? Specifically, a child's life?

His parents didn't give him the cancer.

This. THIS. This is what I'm talking about.

[Blue Lion]

A similar story....

WAUSAU, Wis. – Attorneys for a Wisconsin woman accused of praying for her dying daughter instead of getting her help have rested their case without calling any witnesses.

Forty-one-year-old Leilani Neumann is charged with second-degree reckless homicide in the March 2008 death of daughter Madeline from untreated diabetes.

Judge Vincent Howard ordered the trial to recess until Friday morning.

Prosecutors wrapped up their case earlier Thursday, calling as their last witness a pediatrician who treated 11-year-old Madeline after she was rushed to a hospital.

Dr. Joseph Monaco says medical staff spent about 50 minutes trying to revive the girl even though her heart had stopped. He says her diabetes could have been treated if she'd been brought in earlier.

[Blue Lion]

What about making decisions that put other people's lives in danger? Specifically, a child's life?

His parents didn't give him the cancer.

If someone ran him over with a car, or shot him in the head you don't take him home to pray and give him some ginseng.

You take him to the hospital. If you don't, you get charged with murder.

[Rick James]

No parent has the right to decide that their child has to die.

[karajorma]

Anyone still arguing in favour of the mother has missed an important point.

Anthony Hauser now agrees that Daniel needs to be taken back to a doctor for re-evaluation for the best treatment, said Calvin Johnson, an attorney for the parents.

That's it. Debate over. The father has said the child should be examined. Doesn't matter what the mother wants now, she's only half of the parenting team with no more right to decide than the father. In the case of a tie the courts decide and we already know what they say.

[Flipside]

That's why I haven't commented.

As I asked at the beginning of the thread, if the mother was so certain that alternative techniques would work, why run before the X-Rays came back? That suggests to me that the mother knew the X-Rays would show that the condition was getting worse before she had even seen them, and by running, she is now simply trying to avoid the truth.

With the fathers agreement that the boy needs treatment, this is no longer a matter of parents vs court, it's a matter of parent vs parent with the court making the decision.

[Rhymes]

That's why I haven't commented.

As I asked at the beginning of the thread, if the mother was so certain that alternative techniques would work, why run before the X-Rays came back? That suggests to me that the mother knew the X-Rays would show that the condition was getting worse before she had even seen them, and by running, she is now simply trying to avoid the truth.

With the fathers agreement that the boy needs treatment, this is no longer a matter of parents vs court, it's a matter of parent vs parent with the court making the decision.

True, and the court has made its decision: take the kid back for chemo.

Besides, whether or not chemo agrees with your religious beliefs, no religion condones letting a child die when they could be saved.  The sad part is that the authorities probably won't find the mother until it's too late, and all they'll be able to do for the poor kid is bury him.

[Titan]

My grandfather had colorectal cancer, was on chemo for 4 years. He suddenly got really sick, and so me, my sister, and mom (grandpa's daughter) all went down. I remember him being kind of plump, but not fat. When we got there, he was really skinny, and you could see every vein in his face. After two days, he passed out and was taken to a hospice. Three days later, I got up from the bed and went to sleep on the couch. About an hour later I dimly remember waking up with my mom crying on the armchair, and my grandfather's friend (An austrian guy, early twenties. He had been taking care of my grandfather) was talking to her. They didn't realize I was in the room. I woke up the next morning, and had forgotten about waking up. I walked into the big sitting room, and my mom was sitting on the couch, and Tom (the friend) was just kind of standing in the kitchen, staring at the counter. My mom told me to sit down, and told me my grandfather had died 5 hours ago. 

[Flipside]

To be honest, my Father is undergoing tests at the moment, but I think they are more for the sake of making sure than anything else, about 8 weeks after his heart attack, some idiot jumped the lights at 50 miles an hour and smacked into the side of his car, writing it off, there's some concern, because of his blood-thinning medication, that he may have internal bleeding, but to be sure, they are checking every possibility, because of the symptoms he had could also be indicative of prostrate problems.

Personally, I don't feel like it is anything to worry about, and for a good few weeks before his heart attack, I knew, at some level, that something was wrong, kind of like an Aura that made me feel 'uneasy' about his health, but I couldn't quite identify it, I've got no such feeling this time.

[iamzack]

I had some surgically removed skin cancer some years ago. Two friends had chemotherapy in the same year. One lived, one died. There's various other cancers going around, but they don't matter as much.

[Titan]

I thought cancer couldn't 'go around'- I always thought it was a genetic disorder. 

[Scooby_Doo]

Oh geez.... she has the son with her 

[Flipside]

I thought cancer couldn't 'go around'- I always thought it was a genetic disorder. 

It was a turn of phrase, she didn't mean contagion, just that a lot of people seemed to get it at around the same time

[Kosh]

My grandfather had colorectal cancer, was on chemo for 4 years. He suddenly got really sick, and so me, my sister, and mom (grandpa's daughter) all went down. I remember him being kind of plump, but not fat. When we got there, he was really skinny, and you could see every vein in his face. After two days, he passed out and was taken to a hospice. Three days later, I got up from the bed and went to sleep on the couch. About an hour later I dimly remember waking up with my mom crying on the armchair, and my grandfather's friend (An austrian guy, early twenties. He had been taking care of my grandfather) was talking to her. They didn't realize I was in the room. I woke up the next morning, and had forgotten about waking up. I walked into the big sitting room, and my mom was sitting on the couch, and Tom (the friend) was just kind of standing in the kitchen, staring at the counter. My mom told me to sit down, and told me my grandfather had died 5 hours ago. 

Chemo is not a silver bullet unfortunately, and like I said other alternatives like immunotherapy seem to be in the experinmental stages. Without it there's certain death, with it there's at least a chance.

[Turambar]

In this case, it was chemo with a 95% chance of curing him, or prayer, with a 0% chance of curing him (and 5% him surviving anyway, and people giving the credit to prayer)

[iamzack]

In this case, it was chemo with a 95% chance of curing him, or prayer, with a 0% chance of curing him (and 5% him surviving anyway, and people giving the credit to prayer)

chemo was 90%

buutttt..... yeah.