[iamzack]

Most Christians don't know much about the bible. Those that do know nothing about the bible in its historical context.

[Slasher]

I don't really remember where those laws came from, but they feel familiar somehow. Maybe someone can help me.

Don't you get it?  We only have to abide by the Constitution when we feel like it!!!

Are committed homophobes intent on proving they're nothing but overgrown, paranoid manchildren?  Do these people actually think before they vote or legislate, or do they just go with "what feels right?"

[iamzack]

"A Storm is Gathering" Commercial

There's another commercial linked on that page, but I only got about 3/4 of the way through.

They both make me physically ill. :\

[WeatherOp]

Good decision California. 

[BloodEagle]

I'm not quite sure what disturbs me more: the fact that that was upheld, or that everyone is attacking religion over it.

[Scotty]

I put my vote firmly in the latter of those two choices.

[iamzack]

It's religion's fault, so it's not undeserved.

[Knight Templar]

I'm not quite sure what disturbs me more: the fact that that was upheld, or that everyone is attacking religion over it.

It's not so much that educated and eloquent opponents of prop 8 are attacking religion so much as they're attacking the voters and supporters of prop. 8, whose two main arguments for Prop. 8 are homophobia and the "sanctity of marriage" (Leviticus) - there is no otherwise rational or logical argument, no matter how unsavory or perverse, that is cited by prop. 8 supporters. It's not about economics. It's not about families. It's about homophobia and forced recognition of a single school of religious belief. Iamspecial's remarks in particular re: religion echo a sentiment of people unfamiliar or unable to understand the intricacies of faith, yet keen to observe social injustice when they see it. In short, the actions of prop. 8 supporters tying "sanctity and all that is good and holy" to the campaign haven't really helped out the image "religion" as a whole. At all.

I suspect the main reason why the State Supreme Court upheld it is because they were too afraid of coming off as "activist judiciaries" with the precedent of self created power it'd set in the State Supreme Court if the they started striking down majority plebiscites. Except woops, they also forgot to do their job - protecting the rights of citizens.

[SpardaSon21]

Few things.  One, I voted for Prop. 8.  Two, I am an agnostic, so saying I voted for it because of my religious beliefs is DEAD FRAKKING WRONG.  Three, I believe marriage (this is the operative term here) should be between a man and a woman.  I am all in favor of civic unions with equal rights, just so long as marriage is between a man and a woman.

[Scotty]

I have no real issue with the subject.  I may not like it, but who cares.  I'm one person.  What I dislike about this is how

everyone is attacking religion over it.

Honestly, people can cite religious sources all they want about just about whatever the hell they want to argue about.  That does not make it religion's fault.  That's my major issue with this.

I'll gladly stop talking if I get too annoying.

[Rhymes]

The problem is that the word "marriage" has inherent religious connotations.  Therefore, religious people go crazy over this because same-sex marriage is a contradiction in terms (if you base the definition of "marriage off of the bible) and they assume that the term "marriage" is meant in a religious sense rather than a legal sense.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 

Do away with marriages and call all of them civil unions.  You want to get married go to the church.  You want the state to recognize it get a civil union or partnership.  Solves the whole issue. 

[iamzack]

Few things.  One, I voted for Prop. 8.  Two, I am an agnostic, so saying I voted for it because of my religious beliefs is DEAD FRAKKING WRONG.  Three, I believe marriage (this is the operative term here) should be between a man and a woman.  I am all in favor of civic unions with equal rights, just so long as marriage is between a man and a woman.

You're denying me my religious freedoms. Asshole.

[Ford Prefect]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 

Do away with marriages and call all of them civil unions.  You want to get married go to the church.  You want the state to recognize it get a civil union or partnership.  Solves the whole issue. 

Indeed. This would seem especially timely now that more and more couples in the US are choosing to live together and start families without actually getting married.

[Knight Templar]

One, I voted for Prop. 8.  Three, I believe marriage (this is the operative term here) should be between a man and a woman.  I am all in favor of civic unions with equal rights, just so long as marriage is between a man and a woman.

Why? Give one good, logical, rational reason why two bros getting "married" actually negatively impacts you. If you can do that, without your reason being "because it sounds funny for guys to get married together lol" then I'll let you go. Otherwise you're nothing but a bigot and a homophobe of the worst sort.

The problem is that the word "marriage" has inherent religious connotations.  Therefore, religious people go crazy over this because same-sex marriage is a contradiction in terms (if you base the definition of "marriage off of the bible) and they assume that the term "marriage" is meant in a religious sense rather than a legal sense.

No it doesn't. That's an insult to the idea of marriage. Marriage was around thousands of ****ing years before Christianity. The Ancient Romans had been marrying each other since 500 BC, and their married lives were just as ****ed up as ours, without including God in their vows. Before them it was the Etruscans. And then the Egyptians. How in God's name does marriage contain anything more than the implication that "these two people are bound to each other willingly?" How? How can religion take something, an idea that's existed for millenia across the world, and all the sudden throw a flag pole in it and claim it as its own?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  

Do away with marriages and call all of them civil unions.  You want to get married go to the church.  You want the state to recognize it get a civil union or partnership.  Solves the whole issue.  

No. Because the Catholic / Baptist / Presbyterian / Lutheran / 4-Square / Latter Day Saints / Non-denominational Christian Church and Jewish synagogues do not own the word or idea of marriage, and in a country governed in part by the Bill of Rights as we have them, they never should. That doesn't solve anything except creating neo-segregation over something as fundamentally retarded as a goddamn word. A word that shouldn't be an issue anyway.

[iamzack]

Y'all don't understand fully the legal benefits of being married. Next of kin status, hospital and prison visitation rights, filing taxes together, adopting kids (in some states, you must be married), etc.

[Scotty]

Marriage was around thousands of ****ing years before Christianity.

OMG!!! And Christianity is the very definition of religion!! religion != Christianity

It carries a religious connotation, not a Christian one.

[Knight Templar]

Marriage was around thousands of ****ing years before Christianity.

OMG!!! And Christianity is the very definition of religion!! religion != Christianity

It carries a religious connotation, not a Christian one.

Hush kid, go play with your action figures in the corner while the adults talk.

[iamzack]

Who cares if it carries a religious connotation? People act like churches would be FORCED to marry gays. They wouldn't. A church doesn't have to marry anybody it doesn't want to. Duh.

[Scooby_Doo]

It will fail, it barely passed this time around, 58% compared to the previous  time.

"A Storm is Gathering" Commercial

There's another commercial linked on that page, but I only got about 3/4 of the way through.

They both make me physically ill. :\

BTW have you seen Colbert's version? ROFLOL