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Offline Stealth

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Math problem (should be a cinch)
This should be easy for you.  And it was easy for me 5 years ago, but i don't do this stuff anymore, and it would take longer to research it than i'm willing to spend :(

Got a triangle with an angle of 1 degree, and two 1,000 mile legs.  i need to know what the third side length will be.

Anyone want to explain please?

Also the same thing with 2, 3, 4, and 5 degree angles :/

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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
hmm well. Assuming I can use the cosine law for this...

x = sqrt(1000^2 + 1000^2 - 2(1000)(1000)cos1) approximately equals 17.45 (I think, if not, go talk to Wolfram Alpha. I don't have a calculator on me)

just replace the 1 with 2, 3, 4, and 5...

Or did I just do a massive math fail?
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
I thought you were in 9th grade? What the hell do they teach you people in Alberta? We haven't even started trig in Advanced Math here.
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
A slightly more transparent method, based on the definition sine(angle) = (opposite side)/(hypotenuse) for a right triangle.

Split the isosceles triangle into two right triangles, each half the angle with a hypotenuse of a thousand miles. Then you get

x = 1000*sin(1/2)  (or 1, 3/2, 2, 5/2) for the opposite side.

x = 8.727, double this to get about 17.45, which agrees with Droid's answer.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2009, 08:28:07 pm by Rian »

 

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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
I thought you were in 9th grade? What the hell do they teach you people in Alberta? We haven't even started trig in Advanced Math here.

Aimed at me? I'm 18. I learned cosine law in 10th grade math, and I'm in BC. If it wasn't aimed at me then it's even stranger as Stealth is 23 (accroding to his profile).
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
Oops. Got you confused with one of the many Albertans.
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
I thought you were in 9th grade? What the hell do they teach you people in Alberta? We haven't even started trig in Advanced Math here.

Aimed at me? I'm 18. I learned cosine law in 10th grade math, and I'm in BC. If it wasn't aimed at me then it's even stranger as Stealth is 23 (accroding to his profile).
yeah but like i said, i haven't had to do this in 5+ years.  the last math class i had to take was calculus II (or was it trig?) in 12th grade... more than 5 years ago!


 

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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
Why cosine law?

Sine Law(less calculation) is much easier assuming right angle triangle.

Edit:

Oh didn't see its isoceles triangle... cosine law it is.
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
Spartan: It's not a right triangle
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yeah I just noticed it now ... sorry. my fault.
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
Yeah, but you can cut it in half down the middle and the 1 degree angle to make it two equal right triangles, to use one of the RT methods.

 

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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
If the legs are 1,000 miles long you ought to be working with non-Euclidean geometry.
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If the legs are 1,000 miles long you ought to be working with non-Euclidean geometry.

This might or might not have relevance depending on the problem. Anyways that comment is a pretty good to note, though.
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
Oops. Got you confused with one of the many Albertans.

I think you were talking about me. Which is rather predictable as everyone spends so much time yelling at me that I'm sure that I've become ingrained in your memories.

And for the record I started trig in 8th grade. I guess we Albertans are just born smarter. :p
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
This should be easy for you.  And it was easy for me 5 years ago, but i don't do this stuff anymore, and it would take longer to research it than i'm willing to spend :(

Got a triangle with an angle of 1 degree, and two 1,000 mile legs.  i need to know what the third side length will be.

Anyone want to explain please?

Also the same thing with 2, 3, 4, and 5 degree angles :/


Well, not looking at other solutions, I would divide it into half to make two triangles with 0.5 degree tip angle and 1000 miles long hypotenuse. Then we can use the definition of sine; sine of angle (0.5 degrees) equals opposite side (x/2) divided by hypotenuse (1000 miles).

From that you can get

½x / 1000 miles = sin0.5 degrees

½ x = 1000 miles * sin 0.5 degrees

x = 2 * 1000 miles * sin 0.5 degrees

X =~ 17.453071 miles


...and looking at submitted answers, Rian did the same (sensible) thing.

EDIT: Bugfix
« Last Edit: June 01, 2009, 01:01:36 pm by Herra Tohtori »
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
the simplest solution is to post your question on HLP and let some one else do it for you...;
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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
Spartan: It's not a right triangle
But it's probably close enough.
When angles are 'small' the sine function is essentially linear.

Assuming the isosceles triangle to be a right-angled triangle gives the answer of:

1000 x sin(1) = 17.452406

Which is accurate to 4 significant figures - probably good enough.

(On top of that, the accuracy of your Sine function is unknown. They tend to be done with lookup tables, and the 'real' sine function takes an infinitely long time to process - you give up once you have 'enough' accuracy)

  
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Are you allowed to use a calculator? 'Round here we only learn basic add/sub/mlt/div then they just say use a calculator till 11th grade.
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But it's probably close enough

Don't gamble on that.  Cut it into two equal right triangles down the vertex angle.  Then take the sine function.

Sine(angle) = Opposite over Hypotenuse
Opposite = Unknown
Hypotenuse = 1000 miles
Angle = 0.5 degrees

Sine(0.5)=x/1000
1000sin(0.5)=x
8.726535498=x

Now, remember that x is only 1/2 of the original line we need to find.  Double it.

17.453070996=x

Which is fairly congruous to what has been worked already.  The only difference is that this is margnially more accurate.

EDIT: modified to be as precise as I could get it.

 

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Re: Math problem (should be a cinch)
Dude, isn't that method what's been posted twice already by Herra and Rian?