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Terminator Salvation ***SPOILERS***
Just got back - still grinning like an idiot. :D I really liked it, though one of the guys I went with wasn't so happy. Everything he nitpicked though, I thought about for awhile and it actually made sense (They have a lot of tech in this movie, for example, which makes sense if you asssume they still have ten years to fight, and needed somewhere to start from). You can find niggling little issues if you really want to (Kyle Reece's age, for example - his birth shouldn't really be linked t judgement day - he should have been born at the same time regardless, and been older, since Jday was later. Plus skynet knowing who Kyle Reece even was), but these are easily ignored. In fact, one of the things I liked about it was that it was a movie which took an existing canon and built on it to make a fun, exciting movie without anything being glaringly inconsistent or silly enough to jerk you out of suspension of disbelief. There were just he right amounts of nods back to the old films, but they were, with one somewhat OTT example, quite subtle and well done. That and they stepped quite carefully around T3 - they took some of the elements of the story, yes, but there's nothing in there that references it directly, so - with the exception of the fact that T2 actually ties it up quite nicely and prevents JDay - you can omit it from the storyline and not really lose anything.

Also, Arnie's integration was done really well, both technically and in terms of the way it was done cinematically.

Overall, I really liked it, which puts me two up (Watchmen and Terminator) and two down (Star Trek and Wolverine) on my big, anticipated action movies of 2009 list. It's up to Traqnsformers to tip the scales one way or the other :D
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One of my friends at work saw the movie on Wednesday and said it was way crappier than T3 was.

Looks like the movie really divides people.

 

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It was okay, CGI was cool, obviously the tech of skynet was great to watch. Is it just me or was John Connor completely unnecessary in this movie? It seemed to me it was more supposed to be about Marcus Wright and his "Salvation".  Meh I don't know, at least I got to see some explosions, cyborgs, and Arnie.


 

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I saw the movie on Saturday night, it's my favourite movie of the year already :P (Then again I've seen a lot of crap). John Connor was my favourite character
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Man, the twist was excellent, the atmosphere was done even better. Especially Connor's opening scene with the Hueys moving in, I knew from then, it was a good use of $12.50. ;) I can't think of any points where it fell off, the only moment I didn't like was at the end, where it sets itself up for a sequel with little foreshadowing before, WTF moment for me. The ending quote was good though, made up for it.

 

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Re: Terminator Salvation ***SPOILERS***
It was okay, CGI was cool, obviously the tech of skynet was great to watch. Is it just me or was John Connor completely unnecessary in this movie? It seemed to me it was more supposed to be about Marcus Wright and his "Salvation".  Meh I don't know, at least I got to see some explosions, cyborgs, and Arnie.

Apparently when they cast Bale (who they wanted for Marcus) he demanded both to play John Connor and that Connor be given a bigger role, which explains a big chunk of why Connors parts seem so tacked on - for the most part, they were.

Oh, and keep an ear out for Sam Worthington slipping ever so slightly in and out of accent every now and again :D
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Yeah I noticed that too, about 3 times. Highly unattractive, the movie was still awesome nonetheless.

Mmm, I didn't notice so much.

 

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...where it sets itself up for a sequel...

Apparently from what i read in empire magazine in the uk its supposed to be the first of a new trilogy.

Seen it yesterday and thought it was brilliant. Lots of action, explosions etc, tho like has been said before, Connor could have been taken out of the film for all he actually did in it. (I say that as a big fan of Christian Bale btw)
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There were some wallbangers, but overall it was an OK movie.
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It is a modestly entertaining film that falls apart when subjected to any sort of scrutiny. John Connor, tactical and strategic genius. Messiah. The reincarnation of...well, just look at his initials. Doesn't occur to this awesome dude that, like, if he hovers his chopper three feet above the water, the terminators in the water might, like, attack. For that matter, he has forgotten the previous three films and is unaware that M4s and sidearms are not ideal for fighting terminators. Of course the rest of the leadership is just as stupid. Never occurs to them that broadcasting a signal continuously might give away their position--and even if the signal worked (talk about stupid assumptions), it never occurs to them that Skynet might have standoff weaponry.

Skynet has been transformed from implacable death into a Bond villain. Why does it let Marcus shut down the defenses? Why does it try to 'convince' him by talking, rather than doing something, anything, while he was hooked up to the system? Why does it not kill Kyle Reese? Ever? Why do the various terminators that get their hands on JC not, like, kill him? Instead of throwing him against a wall repeatedly? Or trying to slowly strangle him?

Of course, everyone in the movie is incompetent. The A-10 pilots, upon realizing there's a HK behind them...do nothing. Until JC yells at them to take evasive action, at which point the survivor reverses course to attack the massive VTOL again.

The machines are incompetent throughout. And while their inability to hit Marcus and Kyle is--laughably--explained near the end, their inability to kill JC never is. Regardless, the folks who fail to kill Kyle and Marcus are no less competent than anyone else in the film, which robs the explanation of any sort of power. If the machines were otherwise competent but never seemed able to hit Kyle and Marcus, that'd be one thing. But they're not.

Oh, and the airbases. Firstly, Skynet doesn't know how to make guided weaponry? They can build massive mechs and HKs and whatever that transport was, but not cruise missiles or the sentient equivalent thereof? Secondly, how are there still scores of operational A-10s, Hueys, and Blackhawks? There was a nuclear apocalypse, so where exactly are the spare parts and fuel and munitions coming from?

There's a fair amount of other stuff I'm forgetting as well. It's not notably more stupid than Star Trek or, say, Transformers but it is substantially less fun than those films. Might be worth a rental, but certainly not theater price. I'd have been a lot happier if there had actually been proper battles in the film; as it was, the closes we got to the war was an air strike.
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I'd say that was overly harsh. I was having too much of an SFX wank to notice about 3/4 of that.

 

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The A-10/Huey thing was the first thing I noticed during the film. Well, aside from 'this intro sure is boring. Hope they get on with it'. Well, they got on with it. With an air strike. And Hueys. And M4s.

I wanted my lasers. I was very cross.
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Yeah I suppose I half-noticed the A-10s thing. Still, didn't get in the way of much.

 

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Haven't seen it yet but it sounds kinda rubbish how they've transformed the original human grueilla force with lasers into, uh, the US airforce....?

 

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I'd say that was overly harsh. I was having too much of an SFX wank to notice about 3/4 of that.

How does you not noticing stuff make him harsh?
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Haven't seen it yet but it sounds kinda rubbish how they've transformed the original human grueilla force with lasers into, uh, the US airforce....?
It's so much cooler IMO.

I'd say that was overly harsh. I was having too much of an SFX wank to notice about 3/4 of that.

How does you not noticing stuff make him harsh?
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I'm with Dilmah, I loved the CGI and there was more than enough BOOOM! to go around. Having said that, the plot was full of holes, the resistance's command was laughable and there are just certain things that don't happen. I mean, come on, hueys don't just get caught in a nuclear explosion and fly away without even minor turbulence. Not to mention that I wouldn't put John Connor in charge of taking care of my cat. (See them terminators? There, in the water. Let's get closer so they can jump up and knock us out of the bloody air.)

The film was enjoyable, sure but was it worth the $12.99? The girl I went with didn't think so (And the movie was her idea, I might add) and I'm inclined to agree.
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Haven't seen it yet but it sounds kinda rubbish how they've transformed the original human grueilla force with lasers into, uh, the US airforce....?

Its because IIRC the movie is at the start of the war and neither side has developed a energy weapon yet and even as to the US airforce thing, at this point they would still have something capable of flying. Since this is likely to be a trilogy, on the 2nd and 3rd we'll likely see energy weapons and the resistance getting more desperate because they cant possibly maintain what they have for very long.

I've seen the movie yesterday and I liked it alot, its a great action movie. I agree with mxlm on the part that they turned Skynet a bond villain, it would've been much better if they had maintained Skynet as a faceless villain but its not something that breaks the film.

 

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The film was enjoyable, sure but was it worth the $12.99? The girl I went with didn't think so (And the movie was her idea, I might add) and I'm inclined to agree.

I saw it with my "Crew", we beg to differ, the last time we spent $12.50 on a movie, it was Star Trek, which makes this look pretty good in comparison (plot wise, I still don't have a lot of beef with Star Trek though). I suppose it's just been a while since I've seen a decent war movie with a 3-dimensional plot that isn't based off a true story.

 

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Haven't seen it yet but it sounds kinda rubbish how they've transformed the original human grueilla force with lasers into, uh, the US airforce....?

That force is from about 10 years later on in the timeline.


EDIT : One thing that did puzzle me is why Skynet didn't just kill Reese, but after I left the cinema I started wondering if Skynet actually knew who Reese was or whether it simply knew that he was important to Conner and thus could be used as bait. It's possible that Skynet could have found out about Conner trying to find Kyle Reese without having a clue who he was after all.

Did Skynet ever actually say that it knew who Reese was?

2nd EDIT : Rewatched all of Skynet's exposition and not once does it actually say that it knows who Reese is.
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He was on that list of resistance personnel or whatever Skynet were planning to take out, so Skynet must've had some idea of who Kyle Reese was.

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It's possible that Skynet could have found out about Conner trying to find Kyle Reese without having a clue who he was after all.
They must've found out at least a little from the events of T1.