[High Max]

;-)

[Blue Lion]

No, the nebula is the outcome of the supernova. It doesn't make sense for the purpose of them making stars go supernova is just to make a huge cloud (nebula). If they need energy, they only need one nebula, but they probably get the majority of their energy from subspace. They may not even use fusion reactors. They aren't anything like Terrans or Vasudans. What we call their fighters may not be fighters, for example, though they behave like fighters.

Don't they have gas miners too?

[High Max]

;-)

[Blue Lion]

But I said they don't need more than one nebula for fuel and I said they may get most of their energy from subspace. I never said they get "all" their energy from subspace. Did you miss that part?

I did, but what are you basing this off of? Are you aware of their fuel requirements?

How do you know they don't make a new nebula as a new place for more Shivans?

[High Max]

;-)

[Blue Lion]

Well they have miners so they clearly use the stuff in nebulas for something (I'm gonna guess unknown number of Sathanas Juggernauts they have and whatever other large ships they have)

Maybe they don't (or can't) harvest minerals from planetary bodies so they make everything supernove and get stuff that way. I dunno. It just seemed like the best theory to me.

It clearly wasn't used as an offensive weapon, so it had to be something else.

[High Max]

;-)

[mxlm]

"Their Finest Hour" is actually a reference to a Winston Churchill quote during the darker days of WWII, referring to the Germany's conquest of France IIRC.  Vaguely applied to the situation, it makes more sense for the title to be a reference to the Shivans destroying the Colossus, making it "Their" finest hour.

I don't think that's correct.

[Wanderer]

Their finest hour... The decision of the crew of Colossus to selfsacrifice themselves to buy just a little more time for the refugees to escape and for the node crashes to succeed in cutting of the system. The finest hour of the crew of the Colossus (and possibly of GTVA fleet). So i have always understood it.

[NGTM-1R]

I find it weird that the mission name "Their Finest Hour" may actually be in regards to the three Shivan freighters destroyed by the Blue Lions.

The small things frequently count.

For example (and relevant to the original quote), it was a raid of roughly 30 RAF bombers on Berlin that actually won the Battle of Britain by causing Germany to switch from attacking RAF airfields to bombing cities. That switch saved No. 11 Group as a viable entity; it was on the verge of collapse. The term you hear today is "combat loss grouping".

[Blue Lion]

Does that sound silly? It surely doesn't sound mysterious or interesting or a good plot device. No game out there would make such a boring motive for an enemy.

What's a better answer then? They flew to the sun like moths to a flame? They spent a ton of Juggernauts to clean out 1 system after we were already in full retreat?

[eliex]

I my interpretation of Their Finest Hour is the same with Scotty's. By destroying the Colossus, the Shivans have obtained their greatest victory over the GTVA - their most powerful ship and the symbol of the GTVA.

[mxlm]

I would have thought that sterilizing Vasuda Prime was their greatest victory.

[Blue Lion]

I seriously doubt taking out the big C counts as the Shivans finest hour.

[High Max]

;-)

[Blue Lion]

What's a better answer then? They flew to the sun like moths to a flame? They spent a ton of Juggernauts to clean out 1 system after we were already in full retreat?

Read about all the other theories that have been mentioned before, even in the last month. You can read the Shivan manifesto too.

Those aren't really better answers, just other ones.

[eliex]

I seriously doubt taking out the big C counts as the Shivans finest hour.

Why not? It is, only in the context of the Second Shivan Incursion I mean. Compared to annihilating an entire race, it is nothing then of course.

[Blue Lion]

Taking the bait so they can't stop a node from being collapsed? Beating up what was essentially a crippled ship with 1 Sathanas when they had dozens around?

[High Max]

;-)

[NGTM-1R]

I my interpretation of Their Finest Hour is the same with Scotty's. By destroying the Colossus, the Shivans have obtained their greatest victory over the GTVA - their most powerful ship and the symbol of the GTVA.

Their greatest victory over the GTVA in the second incursion was forcing the evacuation of Capella with the first Sathanas. The logistical strain of this would do far more damage to the GTVA's war effort than destroying the Colossus.

Or, if you prefer, their greatest victory was forcing the GTVA to adopt the plan abandon Capella and collapse the nodes, destroying infrastructure work that goes back to since whenever the system was colonized (before the Great War, at the least). This also does vastly more damage to the GTVA's ability to make war than does destroying the Colossus.

Either way, killing the Colossus is nowhere near the greatest achievement of the Shivans.