[General Battuta]

Reply to Sushi since it was posted while I was typing:
Mr. Beck is a commentator and a Community Organizer.  He reports on political, fiscal and social Insanity and tells people what they can do to stop it.  He gives voice to what a lot of people in the USA are thinking but are too afraid to say because of the people perpetrating the insanity have done an excellent job in adding a fairly powerful social stigma to speaking out against them because it's unpatriotic or bad in someway.  He, I and many others have grown weary of not being able to call a spade a spade and deal with it as such.

I don't understand how people quietly sat through eight years of the Bush administration, then turn around and began to say exactly the same things liberals said about Bush, only this time with respect to Obama.

People truly are blinded by ideologies.

[Liberator]

It's not that they're blinded by ideologies(though there is some of that), it's that the people who going to tea parties and watching Glenn Beck are sick and tired of the swelling size of government and basically being told to pike off.

[Blue Lion]

Glenn Beck is not a comedian.

Fixed. He's not funny.

Neither is Dane Cook, but people still call him a comedian.

[Blue Lion]

It's not that they're blinded by ideologies(though there is some of that), it's that the people who going to tea parties and watching Glenn Beck are sick and tired of the swelling size of government and basically being told to pike off.

Maybe they should have yelled at the last 8 years? You know, the people who actually made the government bigger? These people have been flipping out since the new administration started and even now we're only 5 months in.

[colecampbell666]

Glenn Beck is not a comedian.

Fixed. He's not funny.

Neither is Dane Cook, but people still call him a comedian.

I don't like him either.

[General Battuta]

It's not that they're blinded by ideologies(though there is some of that), it's that the people who going to tea parties and watching Glenn Beck are sick and tired of the swelling size of government and basically being told to pike off.

But all that started under Bush.

It's not that they're blinded by ideologies(though there is some of that), it's that the people who going to tea parties and watching Glenn Beck are sick and tired of the swelling size of government and basically being told to pike off.

Maybe they should have yelled at the last 8 years? You know, the people who actually made the government bigger? These people have been flipping out since the new administration started and even now we're only 5 months in.

Yeah, that.

[Liberator]

The difference is that Bush wasn't talking loudly about this increase or that increase.  The proverbial straw is that Obama is talking about effecting what is effectively a government takeover of the medical industry to the tune of 2 TRILLION dollars annually.  Not to mention that existing G'ment programs similar to this consistently run in the red and are going to outright not have enough money to cover they're expenses in less than a decade.

The difference between the two parties is not direction, it's speed.

The reason people weren't complaining during Bush is that the republicans at least talk like they want to reduce the size of government.  The reason that people are complaining now is that they're reached they're breaking point and are tired of being lied to.  The only thing I can say that I like Obama for is not pretending he's anything but a government growing liberal.

[iamzack]

The difference is that Bush wasn't talking loudly about this increase or that increase.  The proverbial straw is that Obama is talking about effecting what is effectively a government takeover of the medical industry to the tune of 2 TRILLION dollars annually.  Not to mention that existing G'ment programs similar to this consistently run in the red and are going to outright not have enough money to cover they're expenses in less than a decade.

Oh no! Taxpayer money being used to help *gasp* TAXPAYERS?? Canadian healthcare would be a dream come true for me. I'm sick of having to fight with insurance companies to get basic care without spending thousands and thousands of dollars for it.

The reason people weren't complaining during Bush is that the republicans at least talk like they want to reduce the size of government.

So Republicans like liars? THAT explains a lot!!

[Blue Lion]

The difference is that Bush wasn't talking loudly about this increase or that increase.  The proverbial straw is that Obama is talking about effecting what is effectively a government takeover of the medical industry to the tune of 2 TRILLION dollars annually.  Not to mention that existing G'ment programs similar to this consistently run in the red and are going to outright not have enough money to cover they're expenses in less than a decade.

These talks, and that's all they are now, just started fairly recently and most people do want a redo of health care.  You want a different kind of health care? Great. Call your congressmen (or women) and tell them what you want. Tell your insurance company or doctor what you want.



There have been giant talks about health care and how it is rapidly turning into a huge problem. Medicare and Social Security. Prescription Drug plan (signed by Bush) longer life spans etc etc. All of these things will snowball and in 10-20 years will swamp us.

Is the plan proposed the right one? I dunno. But a plan needs to be pushed. I have yet to see a real Republican solution to this.

The reason people weren't complaining during Bush is that the republicans at least talk like they want to reduce the size of government.  The reason that people are complaining now is that they're reached they're breaking point and are tired of being lied to.  The only thing I can say that I like Obama for is not pretending he's anything but a government growing liberal.

So Bush lied to everyone's face about growing the government and everyone was ok with it cause it was under the rug. Obama tells it like it is and everyone freaks out?

This is not reasoned discussion. These tea parties are not alternate plans or anything. When Republicans realize they are a minority party right now and can't put a full stop on this we will all be better off. They have enough votes to push for compromise, but they don't want that. They want to stop this Democratic majority and they don't really have enough votes for that.

[Liberator]

I don't know about republicans, but I would love to see some hard limits on the amounts that can be rewarded and more stringent requirements on the validity of cases brought on malpractice.  One of the primary causes of increased medical costs is the completely disproportionate size of benefits awarded vs. the actual severity of the claim.

IMO, if a doctor is guilty of malpractice they're liable for literal financial damages such as cost of care and materials used in care and a reasonable amt of punitive monies.  But awarding hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, over what is in all seriousness a frivolous case at best for something as esoteric as pain and suffering is what is costing the medical industry so much money.

As to that whole poll you linked...the reason people aren't confident in Republican leaders in Congress to produce a solution is because it's not something they talk about.

Let's be frank about our president for just a moment.  His experience as a politician and leader has been as one of these so-called "Community Organizers".  It does not qualify him to speak authoritatively on any of the subjects he has been rambling on about.  Becoming President does not automatically educate someone in a particular field.  I know he has advisors on these subjects, but that poll paints him as being directly able to solve the problems simply because he is Barack Hussein Flipping Obama.  That in and of itself smells to me and not in a magnolia on a lazy summer afternoon on the back porch kind of way.

[Inquisitor]

Mr. Beck is a commentator and a Community Organizer.

His experience as a politician and leader has been as one of these so-called "Community Organizers".  It does not qualify him to speak authoritatively on any of the subjects he has been rambling on about.

[iamzack]

I don't know about republicans, but I would love to see some hard limits on the amounts that can be rewarded and more stringent requirements on the validity of cases brought on malpractice.  One of the primary causes of increased medical costs is the completely disproportionate size of benefits awarded vs. the actual severity of the claim.

IMO, if a doctor is guilty of malpractice they're liable for literal financial damages such as cost of care and materials used in care and a reasonable amt of punitive monies.  But awarding hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, over what is in all seriousness a frivolous case at best for something as esoteric as pain and suffering is what is costing the medical industry so much money.

As to that whole poll you linked...the reason people aren't confident in Republican leaders in Congress to produce a solution is because it's not something they talk about.


Let's be frank about our president for just a moment.  His experience as a politician and leader has been as one of these so-called "Community Organizers".  It does not qualify him to speak authoritatively on any of the subjects he has been rambling on about.  Becoming President does not automatically educate someone in a particular field.  I know he has advisors on these subjects, but that poll paints him as being directly able to solve the problems simply because he is Barack Hussein Flipping Obama.  That in and of itself smells to me and not in a magnolia on a lazy summer afternoon on the back porch kind of way.

AWK AWK community organizers know NOTHING, AWK! Perhaps people trust him more because what he says does happen to coincide with what many doctors say, whereas teh Congresspeople are still serving corporations, including Insurance Companies rather than, you know, their constituents..

I am amused by Republicans being less trusted than actual *insurance companies* though, since the whole thing threatens the insurance companies themselves. Then again, Repubs are very much the party of big business and lies, so maybe it makes sense.

Mr. Beck is a commentator and a Community Organizer.

His experience as a politician and leader has been as one of these so-called "Community Organizers".  It does not qualify him to speak authoritatively on any of the subjects he has been rambling on about.

 

[colecampbell666]

The difference is that Bush wasn't talking loudly about this increase or that increase.  The proverbial straw is that Obama is talking about effecting what is effectively a government takeover of the medical industry to the tune of 2 TRILLION dollars annually.  Not to mention that existing G'ment programs similar to this consistently run in the red and are going to outright not have enough money to cover they're expenses in less than a decade.

Oh I know, it'll be horrible. Taxpayer money going to fund taxpayer healthcare. Notice how the Canadian system is not failing, notice how I'm not dead?

I don't know about republicans, but I would love to see some hard limits on the amounts that can be rewarded and more stringent requirements on the validity of cases brought on malpractice.  One of the primary causes of increased medical costs is the completely disproportionate size of benefits awarded vs. the actual severity of the claim.

And that's not how government healthcare works (at least up here, which is a good model). You go in, you get your bill, your insurance company pays for a percentage of whatever costs are incurred over the costs covered by the government. There's no "claiming", without private hospitals people pay for what they use, unless I misunderstand.

IMO, if a doctor is guilty of malpractice they're liable for literal financial damages such as cost of care and materials used in care and a reasonable amt of punitive monies.  But awarding hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, over what is in all seriousness a frivolous case at best for something as esoteric as pain and suffering is what is costing the medical industry so much money.

This has nothing to do with government healthcare, it'd happen anyways. And "frivolous"? If you had your leg cut off by a malpracticing doctor, it wouldn't be so "frivoulous", would it?

As to that whole poll you linked...the reason people aren't confident in Republican leaders in Congress to produce a solution is because it's not something they talk about.

If they don't talk about it, how are they supposed to reach a conclusion?

Let's be frank about our president for just a moment.  His experience as a politician and leader has been as one of these so-called "Community Organizers".  It does not qualify him to speak authoritatively on any of the subjects he has been rambling on about.  Becoming President does not automatically educate someone in a particular field.  I know he has advisors on these subjects, but that poll paints him as being directly able to solve the problems simply because he is Barack Hussein Flipping Obama.  That in and of itself smells to me and not in a magnolia on a lazy summer afternoon on the back porch kind of way.

Fair point, but how do you know he's uneducated on these subjects?

[General Battuta]

A couple days back one of my friends was moving stuff off a glass table when the table split in half. One chunk fell on his foot, impaling it to a depth of about an inch.

He wouldn't go to the emergency room until he was sure he had insurance coverage. He'd recently graduated from college, so he wasn't sure his student coverage was still in effect.

The system definitely needs an overhaul. Absurdities like that cannot continue.

[Turambar]

A couple days back one of my friends was moving stuff off a glass table when the table split in half. One chunk fell on his foot, impaling it to a depth of about an inch.

He wouldn't go to the emergency room until he was sure he had insurance coverage. He'd recently graduated from college, so he wasn't sure his student coverage was still in effect.

The system definitely needs an overhaul. Absurdities like that cannot continue.

Hell, I *have* insurance and I still used to never go to the hospital until I absolutely had to (as in, will probably die if I don't). Insurance companies like to fight over every little thing, and some, like mine, are just ****ty. There is exactly ONE physician I can go to in my area. If I don't like that doctor, too damn bad.

I can has real coverage nao, prease?

[TESLA]

Im so glad I live in Ireland 

May be a 2nd rate system, but once your in, (50 Euro) thats it!

[colecampbell666]

A couple days back one of my friends was moving stuff off a glass table when the table split in half. One chunk fell on his foot, impaling it to a depth of about an inch.

He wouldn't go to the emergency room until he was sure he had insurance coverage. He'd recently graduated from college, so he wasn't sure his student coverage was still in effect.

The system definitely needs an overhaul. Absurdities like that cannot continue.

And see up here the health system pays for any necessayr care and a semi-private room, the rest is up to you.

[Liberator]

It's a nice idea really, I would love the world to work like Star Trek where you get what you need when you need it at no cost to anyone except a fancy box in the wall burning a few hundred watts of power.

The problem with Obama's plan is that the various entities it's supposed to help, small business owners and what not, are gonna be the first ones to stop offer they're employee's insurance, then the employee's will have nothing but the government plan because there's nothing about this that is going to actually lower costs.  If anything, costs are gonna go up since the government has "bottomless" pockets, some scheister lawyer will figure out a way to sue the government for mal-practice and then all bets are off.

[colecampbell666]

A lot of small businesses offer insurance here, and you can still get Blue Cross or whatever, it's just regulated and they're not allowed to drop your coverage as soon as you sneeze. So why would this lawyer sue the government for malpractice? The government didn't operate on his client, the doctor did. In which case (in Canada, which I assume is what they're basing the system off of) the doctor would have to fight the battle out of his own pocket. Up here doctors are just paid by the government, while they are regulated heavily, the government isn't accountable for their mistakes.

[SpardaSon21]

Why would the government be sued?  They have the deepest pockets.  I was reading in my local paper a few days ago about a $55 million judgment against the U.S. government.  The reason?  A government contractor had hit and injured someone.  I can see no way in which the federal government is liable for the malfeasance of a contractor in a situation like that, but there you go.