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I thought I should share this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4H_E8b-qmo&feature=related
It's quite old, but somehow funny.
Don't know if it is as enjoyable if you only understand the subs, but I wanted to give it a try, have fun.

Warning: It's quite left wing.

 

Offline peterv

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Severall left wing governments in Europe supported USA in the Iraq hypocrisy, so why exactly is this left wing?

 
Well, while he criticises almost everyone, he focuses quite on the USA (under Bush), so I wanted to warn the more convervative US-americans here that they could be offended.
Maybe I used the term left wing wrong.

 

Offline Turambar

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"Left wing" in Europe is generally "right wing" in the US.
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It's the opposite, left wing in the US is right wing in Europe.
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Offline iamzack

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That's what I meant. XP
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Offline Flipside

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Hmmm I'd say the only main difference is in the concepts regarding 'Morality'.

In Europe, 'Morality' tends to be a selling point of the Left wing more than the Right, whereas in the US the opposite seems to be more true. This is particularly noticeable in a Religious point of view, because of the predominant Christian denomination in the US, whereas the multiculturalism of Europe makes religion more the Domain of the Left Wing than it does in the US.

Edit: And even this can be traced back to the roots of the parties, the balance between the Conservative idea of Preservation and the Socialist idea of Growth through the people.

 

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Left...Right...Center...

There is right and there is wrong and if you do wrong...I'm gonna call you on it.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

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Left...Right...Center...

There is right and there is left and if you do wrong...I'm gonna call you on it.
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WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

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Left...Right...Center...

There is right and there is left and if you do wrong...I'm gonna call you on it.
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Not gonna be baited...I meant what I said...not what you interpret it to say.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline Turambar

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Left...Right...Center...

There is right and there is left and if you do wrong...I'm gonna call you on it.
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Not gonna be baited...I meant what I said...not what you interpret it to say.

Except you think jackboot police "nothing to fear if he hasnt done anything wrong" law enforcement is right, according to your post in that other thread.

You obviously have a damaged view of right and wrong, i wouldnt trust it past "stealing and murder is bad".
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Offline General Battuta

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Left...Right...Center...

There is right and there is wrong and if you do wrong...I'm gonna call you on it.

So you know exactly what to do in every situation you've ever been faced with?

Wait, hang on. Why aren't you out there protesting the military? Killing is wrong. Why aren't you out there trying to stop them?

Wait, I know! Killing is okay when you're killing evil people in defense of your country, right?

Oh ha ha. You just explained how a wrong action can be right in certain contexts. So much for black and white morality!

 

Offline Flipside

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Morality is hardly ever a 'Right or Wrong' issue, at least at many junctures.

For example, take the use of contraceptives, is that 'Right' or 'Wrong'. The truth is, it depends on what you personally believe. People have every right to have a personal belief, but I do not, for example, think that law should ever be used to interfere with such matters, the law is the 'will of all' (Criminals not included), not the 'will of many' or the 'will of the loudest', and it needs to take that into account when new laws are created.

 

Offline General Battuta

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I agree.

 

Offline Liberator

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Killing is wrong.
You quoted a very badly translated Commandment.

The correct translation is:

"Thou shalt not murder"

So, according to that, says to me the following:
"Killing is distasteful, awful thing, but is ok in certain circumstances."  IE War or Self-Defense or defense of another

What I mean by "I'm gonna call you on it."
There are certain behaviors on a personal level and a governmental level that have shown beyond doubt that they are detrimental to society as a unit.  By "I'm gonna call you on it" I mean that I will call a spade a spade and stand against government policies that support these behaviors.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline iamzack

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So I'll assume you stand against bans on abortion, drug, and gay marriage? These have all been shown to be detrimental to society.
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Offline Liberator

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Gay people can take a ciivil union and be happy or go back in the closet, marriage is a religious ceremony primarily and most religions frown on homosexuality.  Personally, as long as they don't hit on me I'm fine.

There are certain situations that it should be allowed, but let's be frank, before Roe v Wade, it wasn't illegal.  It just wasn't "On Demand".  It was viewed as the highly dangerous medical procedure with questionable ends that it it.  Now, it's an "On Demand" "right" to have an abortion.  This is an alarming devaluing of human life in my, and many other peoples, opinion.

Most drugs are illegal for a reason.  I assume you mean marijuana when you ask about drugs.  I'll tell you that the concept of marijuana doesn't bother me any more than alcohol does.  The problem is that, unlike alcohol which is a depressant, marijuana isn't a downer, it's a high and after a while people who use it on a regular basis start wondering what's available that is a bigger high, which leads to attempts to obtain much more lethal "highs" including cocaine and heroin.  It is indirectly government's job to protect society from certain ills, because they are either unwilling or unable through lack of education or training to do it for themselves.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

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marriage is a religious ceremony primarily.

No it isn't. Marriage predates religion.
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Offline Liberator

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I wouldn't know.  I'm not well versed in pre-civilized history, which by my reckoning started about 10000 or so years ago, maybe 12000, and from what I recall there were organized religion that celebrated various wedding ceremonies for a happy couple, most of them paying heed and homage to a god or goddess of fertility that the family would be blessed with many strong sons.

None of that changes the situation in modern American religious society(most of them) frown on homosexuality, and as such shouldn't allow a wedding between two of the same gender.

The things that are being asked for are all part of the civil side of a marriage.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline TESLA

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marriage is a religious ceremony primarily.

No it isn't. Marriage predates religion.

They did pretty much go together from Medieval times onwards, but marriage was originally more of a business deal. Seen as a 'private affair'
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