[Turambar]

If I'm lucky, the USA will become enough like Europe that I won't have to move!

Then, Liberator can get some subsidized treatment for the horrible pain that it causes him.

[Ford Prefect]

I think Liberator using publicly subsidized medicinal marijuana would be pretty ****ing rad.

[iamzack]

B-but, what if we turn into Europe and allow gay marriage and EVERYONE INEXPLICABLY TURNS GAY.

I hate Europe; I'd never live there. XP But sometimes, some of them get it right. Whatever.

[Kosh]

Depends if Obama still wants to play bi-partisan and tip-toe around the opposition. If he just gets up and goes, well, the US might finally start to grow up post cold-war and join the rest of the civilized world. Otherwise, well, more of the same.

Obama has a reputation as a moderate and a post-partisan man.  And politicians do need to maintain reputations, since they don't have any real principles to replace them in case they are gone.  So don't expect Obama to go far-left anytime soon, as he needs to keep the American people thinking he cares about the opposition.

Obama has managed to lie about practically everything. The vast majority of his policies were either a continuation of or an expansion of what Bush was doing.

[iamzack]

Depends if Obama still wants to play bi-partisan and tip-toe around the opposition. If he just gets up and goes, well, the US might finally start to grow up post cold-war and join the rest of the civilized world. Otherwise, well, more of the same.

Obama has a reputation as a moderate and a post-partisan man.  And politicians do need to maintain reputations, since they don't have any real principles to replace them in case they are gone.  So don't expect Obama to go far-left anytime soon, as he needs to keep the American people thinking he cares about the opposition.

Obama has managed to lie about practically everything. The vast majority of his policies were either a continuation of or an expansion of what Bush was doing.

I wouldn't go quite that far, as his (successful) appointments so far have been direct opposite. Women, gays, nonwhites, oh my! And I'm pleased about him killing the global gag rule. But I won't lie, I'm fairly disappointed on some other things he's done so far. :\

[Liberator]

Yes let's not forget placing an appointment upon a blatant racist and feminazi.

[Blue Lion]

I really hope she gets on. Which is odd because you'd think as a white guy, this would help me in no way whatsoever.

[iamzack]

feminazi

Your misogyny is showing.

[Liberator]

Hardly, I am a staunch supporter of Dr. King's original viewpoint.

Feminazi refers to militant feminists.  I could also extend that to Econazi or whatever else you like.

[iamzack]

Wow, your link does not help show you are not a mysogynist.

Definition:     an extreme feminist who believes the option of abortion is essential to the political, social, and economic advancement of women

I guess I'm a feminazi, then. Oh, right:

Usage:     derogatory

It's another one of the many female-specific insults based on the she not being a submissive, doe-eyed virgin with no ambitions outside of looking pretty, marriage and children.

Besides, stop Godwinning. It makes you look like a moron.

[Blue Lion]

I just like how it's an "extreme feminist" who believes in the option of abortion like it's the worst thing you can possibly think of.

She's.... a feminist.... and not just any feminist, an extreme feminist! And that's not all.... she's also.... dun dun dun, PRO CHOICE!

I'm curious what an extreme feminist is who's not pro choice? Like they want to be paid 75% instead of 70% of a man's salary?

[Liberator]

What part of

Hardly, I am a staunch supporter of Dr. King's original viewpoint.

was not clear?

Dr. King in several speeches, including and foremost the "I have a dream" speech, proclaimed a desire for a society that treats all people ,regardless of color or gender, equally.  Not specially.

So I guess you want your cake(equality) and eat it too(being treated in a special way simply because you are a female).

So no more men holding open doors or pulling out chairs or giving up they're seats, ect, ect, ect.

In case you hadn't noticed some of the more "offensive" behaviors are left over from times long past where men would put women(the mothers and caretakers of the tribe) in the center of the society to protect them from the outside world.  This stem from the simple, biological fact that men are typically in the extreme the larger and more physically able of the two genders to defend against an agressor.  Men are in fact hardwired to put a woman's safety above they're own up to and including endangering whatever other activity they were engaged in together.  Hence why women are not allowed in front line combat units during military service.  It's not for her protection, it for the protection of the male soldiers who she would put at risk by being there.

[Blue Lion]

You started out good then dove headfirst into crazy.  First off, what special treatment? I hold doors open for men because I'm nice, just like I do for women.

Secondly.... what? We can't have women on the front lines because all the men would walk in front of bullets aimed for her and they'd all die? Seriously?

[TESLA]

B-but, what if we turn into Europe and allow gay marriage and EVERYONE INEXPLICABLY TURNS GAY.

I hate Europe; I'd never live there. XP But sometimes, some of them get it right. Whatever.

Well the EU (with all its faults) has done a great job of keeping Europe at peace (and the Germans inside their own borders  )
Yes, Separation issues do arise. But overall, the EU has managed to mix socialism, capitalism, democracy all together.

'Europe' has not allowed gay marriage. Every country has their own laws on social issues whether it be abortion, homosexuality, etc.
Like in Ireland, Abortion is Illegal, so is gay marriage but gay couple still have the same rights in terms of wills, taxes, basically the same rights as non gay couples. Just not calling it 'marriage'.
Think its Civil Partnership or something like that, not sure, doesn't affect me.

At least Europe, has tried to take the lead on Environmental issues which we can all agree is badly needed. And better regulation of financial services which was badly needed.

Just don't want Europe becoming another USA

[Liberator]

Sorry about that BL, I'm kinda on the ragged edge of needing to sleep so I'm probably not making my usual amt of sense(or lack thereof).

[TESLA]

You started out good then dove headfirst into crazy.  First off, what special treatment? I hold doors open for men because I'm nice, just like I do for women.

Secondly.... what? We can't have women on the front lines because all the men would walk in front of bullets aimed for her and they'd all die? Seriously?

Dont women have better eye sight than men?

I may be wrong, but im pretty sure in World War 2 many women were Snipers for the Soviets.

[Blue Lion]

Doesn't Israel have women soldiers?

[TESLA]

Doesn't Israel have women soldiers?

Think your right there.

But then again, Israeli soldiers are Bastards     

[Blue Lion]

I see....

[TESLA]

may be a bit harsh of a comment, but just personal opinion  

but anyhow, back on topic......