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Offline redsniper

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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
But then again, Israeli soldiers are Bastards  :mad2:  :mad:  :ick:
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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_soldiers#Contemporary_debate

Fun facts. Apparently in real live trials, men lose their **** and play White Knight with women in the military, making the entire unit tactically ****ing useless.

Back onto topic, Al Franken being in politics sure shows how serious politics are.

 

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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_soldiers#Contemporary_debate

Fun facts. Apparently in real live trials, men lose their **** and play White Knight with women in the military, making the entire unit tactically ****ing useless.

Back onto topic, Al Franken being in politics sure shows how serious politics are.


Well, give him a chance, see what happens

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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
Oh I think he fits right in.

That's the joke.

 

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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_soldiers#Contemporary_debate

Fun facts. Apparently in real live trials, men lose their **** and play White Knight with women in the military, making the entire unit tactically ****ing useless.

Well then maybe men should learn to stop being such ****ing sexists, eh?

Obviously, it's men we should be keeping out of the military, seeing as they're so ****ing useless if they're too close to a vagina.
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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
The "issue" of women in the military reminds me of this.
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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_soldiers#Contemporary_debate

Fun facts. Apparently in real live trials, men lose their **** and play White Knight with women in the military, making the entire unit tactically ****ing useless.

Well then maybe men should learn to stop being such ****ing sexists, eh?

Obviously, it's men we should be keeping out of the military, seeing as they're so ****ing useless if they're too close to a vagina.

by God you may have just invented the best weapons to defeat any army! A giant......................
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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_soldiers#Contemporary_debate

Fun facts. Apparently in real live trials, men lose their **** and play White Knight with women in the military, making the entire unit tactically ****ing useless.

Well then maybe men should learn to stop being such ****ing sexists, eh?

Obviously, it's men we should be keeping out of the military, seeing as they're so ****ing useless if they're too close to a vagina.
You know its not always that "men are being sexist" in a deliberate premeditated way.  We all have instinctual responses to different kinds of situations where normal rational thought is totally overridden by instinct.  In a frenzied combat situation I'm not at all surprised that the reaction toward a fellow female in the combat unit might differ from a fellow male no matter how well developed their modern sense of gender roles might be.

Interestingly enough that Wikipedia link above says that women are able to take on any role in the Canadian Forces except for submarines.  I knew we had women in combat operations and on the front line but I didn't realize how unrestricted it was.  One day it would be interesting to compare combat reports between the different nations on the ground in Afghanistan.
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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_soldiers#Contemporary_debate

Fun facts. Apparently in real live trials, men lose their **** and play White Knight with women in the military, making the entire unit tactically ****ing useless.

Well then maybe men should learn to stop being such ****ing sexists, eh?

Obviously, it's men we should be keeping out of the military, seeing as they're so ****ing useless if they're too close to a vagina.
You know its not always that "men are being sexist" in a deliberate premeditated way.  We all have instinctual responses to different kinds of situations where normal rational thought is totally overridden by instinct.  In a frenzied combat situation I'm not at all surprised that the reaction toward a fellow female in the combat unit might differ from a fellow male no matter how well developed their modern sense of gender roles might be.

So... men are driven by instinct to the point that it overrides military training and causes significant problems? I don't see how that's supposed to change my mind.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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So... men are driven by instinct to the point that it overrides military training and causes significant problems? I don't see how that's supposed to change my mind.

In nearly every major species capable of infighting on the planet, males do the job. To overturn evolution is not an easy thing to be accomplished in a few years.
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So... men are driven by instinct to the point that it overrides military training and causes significant problems? I don't see how that's supposed to change my mind.

Whose trying to change your mind?

Tell me, I'd give them a darwin award.  :p
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This stem from the simple, biological fact that men are typically in the extreme the larger and more physically able of the two genders to defend against an agressor.


The gun is the great equalizer, bullets from women can kill you just as good as bullets from men. In situations like that size can be a disadvantage, larger size == larger target.
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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_soldiers#Contemporary_debate

Fun facts. Apparently in real live trials, men lose their **** and play White Knight with women in the military, making the entire unit tactically ****ing useless.

Well then maybe men should learn to stop being such ****ing sexists, eh?

Obviously, it's men we should be keeping out of the military, seeing as they're so ****ing useless if they're too close to a vagina.

Shortsighted way to look at it, but that's basically how it is.

It's like putting a problem inside of a problem. You don't put one into the other until you've solved the first one. And we're never really going to solve the male-female equality relationship.

 

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Re: Our long national nightmare is over
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_soldiers#Contemporary_debate

Fun facts. Apparently in real live trials, men lose their **** and play White Knight with women in the military, making the entire unit tactically ****ing useless.

Well then maybe men should learn to stop being such ****ing sexists, eh?

Obviously, it's men we should be keeping out of the military, seeing as they're so ****ing useless if they're too close to a vagina.

Shortsighted way to look at it, but that's basically how it is.

It's like putting a problem inside of a problem. You don't put one into the other until you've solved the first one. And we're never really going to solve the male-female equality relationship.

If only because of all the dumbasses going "onoes! evolution says ____!"

Screw evolution. Look at us, our teeth are tiny and flat, we have no real claws to speak of, we're gangly and naked and pathetic little creatures. And yet we are the number one predator of every animal on the planet, including ourselves.

Evolution gave us brains enough to create inequality and then think about killing it, so why don't we ****ing use them, huh?

It's like goddamn, people, we train dogs to overcome instinct. Are we dumber than dogs?
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Screw evolution. Look at us, our teeth are tiny and flat, we have no real claws to speak of, we're gangly and naked and pathetic little creatures. And yet we are the number one predator of every animal on the planet, including ourselves.

Actually, there's a reason we're the number one predator besides brains. Endurance. Humans are one of the best endurance runners in the world. We can actually outrun freaking horses when taking endurance into account. There were (are ??) tribes that hunted using this method, tiring the prey to death.

The only animals with better endurance are dogs. And as a consequence, they were the first to be domesticated.
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Uh huh. That's why we're the number one threat to Cheetahs and Lions and Bears and whathaveyou. We run them to death.  :rolleyes:
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Yes. Humans are more resilient than you give credit for.

I should mention that all of those are not optimal prey for man. The risks of hunting those don't compensate the reward. The same reasons why many of those animals actually avoid humans and other large predators.

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We train dogs to overcome certain instincts.  Mainly by focusing on other instincts that are more difficult to overcome.  Mostly of these are centered around the dog's owner being viewed as Pack Leader.

Instinct is difficult to overcome.  If you were to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded building, most people, probably something on close to 90% are going to panic and run for the door.  Maybe less, but the point is that we have an instinct to run from large fires.  It is an oversimplification to say that putting a woman in a front line combat unit isn't allowed by most militaries because they'd be a distraction, but, and you can't deny it, it would be.  Even if the sexual interrelations didn't occur, she'd cause the unit to lose focus and possibly take more casualties than needed.  

I'm not even saying that this hypothetical woman couldn't handle it physically, but in all seriousness, the average woman is between 5'2" and 5'7" and weighs in at 110 to 130lbs.  Excellent physical conditioning or not, how is she going to drag a 6'3" 300+ lb marine from a burning tank or overturned hummvee?  That's the main reason.  

You wanna see what would happen to a woman in a front line combat unit?  Go watch GI Jane.  The part right up until she rings the bell is about right.  Watch closely while she's being interrogated during training.  Her squad is begging for the colonel to stop and he keeps pushing till one of them breaks.  That's another reason women shouldn't be in a front line unit.

Now civilian life is a different story, pretty much any job that doesn't require an extreme of physical output should be equal pay for equal work.  But there's just no place for a woman on an Oil Rig deck or a crab boat deck in the Bering Sea.
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1. If men can't do their job because a woman is nearby, then they deserve to be eliminated from the gene pool. Or maybe men in the military should just all be castrated, if they can't ****ing deal with a woman nearby. How is having a vagina such a huge distraction for others, anyway? That's stupid. That's more of the same "boys will be boys" bull**** that lets men get away with rape by the thousands.

2. How is a man that size going to carry the 300+lb marine either?

3. I'm not going to watch some bull**** military movie because you think it's accurate. You're clearly an idiot, and I will not take your suggestions seriously.

4. Your "women don't belong on the front lines because on average they are weaker" makes as much logical sense as "men are too strongly affected by women, so they shouldn't work in any field where women work." That's why I said it: to show you how dumb your assertions are.
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In fairness, for (1) Don't rule out the genetic and inbuilt factors, men do tend to lose a few IQ points around an attractive woman, and they get an increased urge to display or show-off. That's not something that can really be stopped, and the high-adrenaline situations of war actually exacerbate those feelings, rather than subdue them.

So, whilst I agree that a woman is every bit as capable of acting as a soldier as a man, mixed-sex groups would contain stresses and inter-relationships that could not be avoided, even in places like Israel, you have seperate barracks for genders iirc.

Personally however, I've always assumed that a high percentage of women were too smart to go for the infantry jobs...