[Mongoose]

Firstly, you're using "narm" incorrectly.  And secondly, your blind Geass fanboyism disappoints me.

Spoiler:

A moon with a massive heart and "Renton *heart* Eureka" isn't narm for you? Sure is for me. That scene is listed as narm on on TVTropes anyway.

No, that's not narm, that's pure cheese, which I'll freely admit as someone who loves the hell out of that ending. Pure cheese, but cheese of the delicious and wonderful sort, like the gooey nacho cheese you slather on your tortilla chips.  Narm would be all of the Gundam 00 cast in the episode I watched last night thinking to themselves with heartfelt emotion the name of the person they're fighting for...and then Tieria and Setsuna doing the same with "Veda" and "Gundam" respectively.

[Liberator]

Yeah, that was kinda silly.  Except that in they're psychology, Setsuna feels that the Gundams, particularly his Gundam, are gods sent to avenge wrongs and guide mankind into the "coming dialogues"(whatever the hell that is, the common thought is XT contact), and given his very religious bent and that the first one he ever saw saved his life(exclusively) and was hovering above the ground with what appeared to be wings of light he wouldn't be far off.  Tieria is a bit harder to explain.  Imagine that you had a direct link to whatever your god is, you'd had it your entire life, it had given you purpose and direction in your life.  Now imagine that link severed...violently.  Tieria and Setsuna are both fighting for they're respective gods.

[Mongoose]

I know there was a valid background for what they said, but it didn't make it any less amusing to hear them do so after everyone else mentioned their true love or treasured family member.  It reminded me of the SD gag trailer for the second season that was released, in which Tieria and Setsuna professed undying love for each other and then revealed that they were an android and a Gundam themselves.

[Liberator]

You mean this??  I LOL'd.

[TrashMan]

Gundam is overrated.

[Hades]

Code Geass is a recent anime, that shat awesomness and bled godlikness. To say the least. It's a much watch, both seasons.

No, this person is wrong, very wrong. Code Geass is a train wreck, it has so many plot twists that it becomes 5 different knots over the course of season 1 alone, and the plot just wasn't great at all.

[BloodEagle]

Gundam is overrated.

Agreed. There are only two series within the Gundam universe that I like. Wing, and 08th MS Team.

Seed (particularly season 2) was the worst, though.

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No, this person is wrong, very wrong. Code Geass is a train wreck, it has so many plot twists that it becomes 5 different knots over the course of season 1 alone, and the plot just wasn't great at all.

List of things Hades apparently doesn't like:

• Multiple plot twists - Check
• Classic 'underdog kicks ass to gain revenge' story - Check
• Symphonic soundtracks - Check
• Magnificent bastards - Check
• Really, really good cell-shaded animation - Check
• All that is good and Holy - Check
• Orson Scott Card's Ender Saga (see above) - Check

Glad we settled that.

[Hades]

• Multiple plot twists - Check

It's not so much that I don't like multiple plot twists, but when they occur every 3-7 minutes, it's a bit too much.

• Classic 'underdog kicks ass to gain revenge' story - Check

It's an overused and cliche story that has been done many, many times before.

• Symphonic soundtracks - Check

I never said anything about the soundtrack, so that is really a stupid assumption.

• Magnificent bastards - Check

They weren't very magnificent to me.

• Really, really good cell-shaded animation - Check

Again, I never said anything about the animation, so you're just assuming again.

• All that is good and Holy - Check

Code Geass is neither good or holy. And you just pulled the "DOESN'T LIEK ANYTHING HOLY OR GOOD HURR HURR HURR" out of your ass as well.

• Orson Scott Card's Ender Saga (see above) - Check

And I don't even know what this is.

[Stormkeeper]

There are only two series within the Gundam universe that I like. Wing, and 08th MS Team.

Seed (particularly season 2) was the worst, though.

I'll go with the SEED one, though when the second season started I thought it held promise, but then the fangirls boo'd, then Kira returned and the fangirls squealed and .......

I like Gundam X though, Garrod Ran, though whiny, is probably one of the most skilled pilots in UC. Zeta was okay, even with emo Kamille. And then there's V Gundam, which is very dark. Those are the ones I've watched and liked, including the original Gundam of course.

00 was passable. I just liked watching the mecha.

[BloodEagle]

• Multiple plot twists - Check

It's not so much that I don't like multiple plot twists, but when they occur every 3-7 minutes, it's a bit too much.

• Classic 'underdog kicks ass to gain revenge' story - Check

It's an overused and cliche story that has been done many, many times before.

• Symphonic soundtracks - Check

I never said anything about the soundtrack, so that is really a stupid assumption.

• Magnificent bastards - Check

They weren't very magnificent to me.

• Really, really good cell-shaded animation - Check

Again, I never said anything about the animation, so you're just assuming again.

Code Geass is a train wreck,

What's your definition of 'train wreck', then? 

• All that is good and Holy - Check

Code Geass is neither good or holy. And you just pulled the "DOESN'T LIEK ANYTHING HOLY OR GOOD HURR HURR HURR" out of your ass as well.

• Orson Scott Card's Ender Saga (see above) - Check

And I don't even know what this is.

The last two were obviously part of a hyperbolic joke. Forgive me for striking a nerve.

[NGTM-1R]

It is a trainwreck.

Why?

Everybody has unattainable and downright stupid objectives. Charles wants to kill god, nevermind he can't find god (if he could he'd be my personal hero) and is a douche. Lelouch rachets it up to being a dip****, and wants to end all violence by focusing all humanity's hatred on himself and then dying. This is of course also impossible. Even if he Geass'd everyone it'd only work for a generation.

Basically, all magnificent bastards in the series disallow themselves from the title because they focus on goals that are, even for them, impossible. Part of magnificent bastardy is victory, even if temporary. I have a fondness for madmen and sinners (as anyone who's ever heard me extol the virtues of GoonSwarm's The_Mittani knows), in much the same way Patton was fond of Rommel, but nobody in the show manages to arouse much sympathy or admiration. Just to top it off, the mecha went all Lensman Arms Race on us way too quickly.

So no. Code Geass is an endless flat black, an exhaustion of the mind, a revulsion of the spirit, in much the same way Evangelion was.

[General Battuta]

hello! i am a mitten, a mighty SPACE TYRANT~, i focus my space tyranny on the v. important job of being 1. warm 2. fuzzy

today we destroyed bob

[StarSlayer]

Magnificent Bastard you say?

[NGTM-1R]

hello! i am a mitten, a mighty SPACE TYRANT~, i focus my space tyranny on the v. important job of being 1. warm 2. fuzzy

today we destroyed bob

Indeed.

[BloodEagle]

 

Is failing to use spoiler tags against forum rules? If it isn't, It really should be.

Spoiler:

Everybody has unattainable and downright stupid objectives. Charles wants to kill god, nevermind he can't find god (if he could he'd be my personal hero) and is a douche. Lelouch rachets it up to being a dip****, and wants to end all violence by focusing all humanity's hatred on himself and then dying. This is of course also impossible. Even if he Geass'd everyone it'd only work for a generation.

Spoiler:

We must have been watching different subs (unless you watched the dubs, in which case you can't really judge the series), because our interpretations of events are very different.

He did find god, or whatever qualified in the series as god. You remember that giant retro thing in the sky? Guess what.

Lelouch succeeds: It's clearly stated in the epilogue. He didn't create a perfect world (as stated in the epilogue), but everything is a Hell of a lot better than it was. You went from a clearly dictatorial rule to a neo-U.N., that's effective at its job. It might not last, but it wasn't his goal to make everything perfect forever. His goal was to allow his sister to live in a peaceful. Which he did.

Spoiler:

Basically, all magnificent bastards in the series disallow themselves from the title because they focus on goals that are, even for them, impossible. Part of magnificent bastardy is victory, even if temporary. I have a fondness for madmen and sinners (as anyone who's ever heard me extol the virtues of GoonSwarm's The_Mittani knows), in much the same way Patton was fond of Rommel, but nobody in the show manages to arouse much sympathy or admiration. Just to top it off, the mecha went all Lensman Arms Race on us way too quickly.

Spoiler:

Really? It seems to me that you had three powerful (but not indestructible) suits at the end of the first season, and only a handful at the end of the second. The fact that actual strategy is used to defeat the specialties of the suits shows a great deal of insight into the problem with the whole 'uber-mech' idea.

So no. Code Geass is an endless flat black, an exhaustion of the mind, a revulsion of the spirit, in much the same way Evangelion was.

You're comparing Code Geass to Evangelion? .... Seriously? .... Really? .... I can't come up with a response to that, it's so far out there. .... .... ....

....

[NGTM-1R]

We must have been watching different subs (unless you watched the dubs, in which case you can't really judge the series), because our interpretations of events are very different.

He did find god, or whatever qualified in the series as god. You remember that giant retro thing in the sky? Guess what.

Subs nothing. I got it direct from Japanese fans explaining the series.

Also, that's not god, according to the Word of God.

The statement you cannot judge a series by its dub reveals a level of head-up-ass-ness that isn't very encouraging to boot. This isn't Carl Maeck's work, son.

[Stormkeeper]

Actually, Code Geass's subs are quite accurate. I've heard its probably one of the best.

Mitten. Is he the one who ochestrated some major assasination on EVE Online? Of some major group? Getting his assasin to be second in command of that group? Cause if he is, then yes, he is one hell of a magnificent bastard.

It's not God that Charles found; its the collective conciousness of the human race, apparently.

[BloodEagle]

Spoiler:

We must have been watching different subs (unless you watched the dubs, in which case you can't really judge the series), because our interpretations of events are very different.

He did find god, or whatever qualified in the series as god. You remember that giant retro thing in the sky? Guess what.

Subs nothing. I got it direct from Japanese fans explaining the series.

Also, that's not god, according to the Word of God.

So... did you actually watch the series? If so, in which form? Who are these fans? Are they people with much experience in reviewing metaphysical interpretations of events and plot devices in anime?

I'd also like a link to the dev's comment about that.

The statement you cannot judge a series by its dub reveals a level of head-up-ass-ness that isn't very encouraging to boot. This isn't Carl Maeck's work, son.

The quality of dubs is, more often than not, outright terrible. Not only do you have to deal with censorship and cuts (note: that site appears to be under maintenance, but there's an excellent collection of translation differences between the versions of Chrono Trigger there that you can find when it's working again), but also downright misinterpretations. Granted, there are bad subs out there. But I've yet to see one that's worse than a standard 4Kids (or equivalent) dub.

I've watched a few episodes of the aired dub (after viewing the sub), and there's obvious changes in dialogue and nomenclature that serve no purpose.

By the by, how does finding an original format superior make one exemplify "head-up-ass-ness"?

::Preemptive edit::

Spoiler:

It's not God that Charles found; its the collective conciousness of the human race, apparently.

Yeah.

Spoiler:

He did find god, or whatever qualified in the series as god. You remember that giant retro thing in the sky? Guess what.

I think that that qualifies.

[Thaeris]

I've noted before that although I thoroughly enjoyed Code Geass, I also understand the criticism very well. You take the good with the bad and get on with it. 

If there aren't any merits to the work you can find, then why would you like it? I thought the series managed to consider several philisophical points in an interesting fashion. It also brought about a good deal of "shock factor," if you enjoy that sort of thing. Many elements in the story also reminded me of reading Dune, which though not always... great in subject matter... did manage to make some rather good insight as a whole.

I will most definately agree with NGTM-1R on this though: Subs and dubs pale in comparison to actually comprehending the work in its native language. I've seen a few of the more "confusing" (and unfortunately critical-for-plot) episodes in both the dub and subtitled versions (which often were poorly translated). While this enabled me to piece together more of what the objective of the episode was with a fair degree of clairity, that would certainly never have been an issue if I could understand Japanese.

"In general, translated books always leave something different."

-Thaeris

[General Battuta]

Mitten. Is he the one who ochestrated some major assasination on EVE Online? Of some major group? Getting his assasin to be second in command of that group? Cause if he is, then yes, he is one hell of a magnificent bastard.

Haha, what the Mittani did makes the Guiding Hand Social Club (the assassins you refer to) look like a bunch of toddlers playing cops and robbers in a sandbox.