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Offline NGTM-1R

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I'm creating a new bookmarks folder for this.
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I stopped reading after I hit the fourth talking point from The Playbook.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline iamzack

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Liberator is a walking irony machine.
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Offline Rick James

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I stopped reading after I hit the fourth talking point from The Playbook.

Thank you for just proving Nuclear right.

Christ, you're a disgrace to the right-wingers who actually do research to back up their claims.

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Offline NGTM-1R

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I stopped reading after I hit the fourth talking point from The Playbook.

Are you trying to get monkeyed?
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Offline General Battuta

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I stopped reading after I hit the fourth talking point from The Playbook.

And thereby proved him correct.

 

Offline Mongoose

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Nuclear, there are several people I know whose views I at least partially agree with that I'd freaking love to shove that post in the faces of in an attempt to shut them the **** up.  Thanks for that. :)

 

Offline Liberator

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However, you, sir, and all your friends who think like you, will be.   You and all the Teabagging "patriots" who threaten elected officials with death for supporting health care, who destroy logical debate by screaming like Tourettes-afflicted morons at town hall meetings en masse, who carry loaded guns to the same meetings, and who actually give an ounce of credence to the crap spewing out of the mouths of the totalitarian, fascist, Nazi commentators that fill the right-wing talk airwaves.  YOU will be the death of America.
So basically you compared me and all the people who believe, even slightly, as I do to the most heinous bunch of lowlife scumbags of the 20th century.  When you know for a fact we aren't.  This implies that you are trying to drum up emotional support for you are attempting to argue.
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America has progressed not because we look 200 years in the past and try to live the exact same way.  We look into the past to keep our most basic principles alive: the belief that every human being* has the right to life, liberty, and property; that all Americans enjoy the right to a trial by jury of their peers, and to face their accusers; that America should stand as a city upon a hill for all the world to see.**  What you and your ilk INSIST on doing, however, is keeping us permanently living in the past--for all I know, neocons very well could believe that slavery is still legal, that women don't need to leave the home, and that every American should be part of an armed militia independent of the government, no matter the consequences.
*Unless you happen to be an unwanted child who hasn't been born yet.
**I agree fully.  Morally, Ethically, and Technologically.
If you don't learn from the past you will repeat it.  The big thing to learn from history as it applies to the topic at hand, tyranny comes with both snarl and smile.
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It is you and your friends that make America not a city upon the hill for the entire world to emulate and be inspired by, but as the class idiot sitting in the corner with a dunce cap for all the world to look at and laugh at, or, worse, refuse to emulate.
From my position, when I look at the world I see a Europe who is sinking into decline with double digit unemployment, rampant illicit drug use and capitulation to any and all external aggressors.  None of which are worthy of emulation.
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Your claim that the American left somehow despises the Constitution absolutely sickens me to the core.  While your little friends in the Bush Administration were exploiting the fears and worries of a sincerely frightened nation, stripping away our civil liberties one at a time, ****ting on the Constitution, tearing apart the Bill of Rights to fit their just plain evil agenda of imperialism and unilateralism in unnecessary, illegal, overly-costly wars that wasted the lives of several thousand good, willing, and truly patriotic Americans, the American left was in the streets and blogs protesting the Patriot Act, demanding Gitmo shut down, and putting themselves in the crosshairs for your civil liberties and the rights of all Americans to not live in fear of each other and their own elected officials.  

And you called them traitors.  You called them un-American.  You declared them "in league with the terrorists."  You said "America, love it or leave it!"
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Oh yes, it's all Bush's fault.  Obama is as pure as the wind driven Chicago snow.  He and The Usual Suspects will lead us into a golden age.
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But they didn't leave America, because they loved America.  They still do.  They love America to the point where they're willing to forgo income due to slightly higher taxes to pay for their neighbor's right to see a doctor and get the drugs necessary to treat him, sacrifice time spent with their families by attending town hall meetings to engage in reasonable debate and conversation, and risk being put on an NSA watchlist because they bad-mouthed the fascist policies of the Bush Administration.

Meanwhile, you ****ing tools sat around.  You agreed with every word that came out of the Bush Administration, Fixed News, and the extreme-right.  You did no research to support your opinion; I can point out several parts of yours and Liberator's arguments where a simple trip to Wikipedia could've proved you wrong.  You simply sat back, smiled, and nodded.  Whether you're still under Cheney's trance that America will never be safe with a Democrat in the White House, or Sarah Palin's belief that nationalized healthcare will just kill babies and seniors pointlessly, or you are truly just an evil person who would rather have another 57" TV rather than let my pregnant friend have her medicine that keeps her from experiencing unbearable nausea.

Now, since I apparently hate the Constitution and all it stands for since I support nationalized healthcare, I guess this doesn't mean ****!
Quote from: The oath I ****ing swore two years ago
I do solemnly swear
To support and defend the Constitution of the United States
Against all enemies, foreign and domestic
That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same
Let me put it this way:  next you think about trying one of these absoluely abhorent, low-down, un-American ad hominem arguments simply because someone has a different political belief than you do, think about the thousands of Americans YOU sent to their graves in Iraq, think of the thousands of people who will die this year and the tens of thousands more who will die in the coming years because YOU don't want your taxes raised, and think of the people who actually sacrificed something, be it their lives, time, personal safety, or freedom from fear to protect you...the people YOU continue to crucify with your right-wing, ultra-nationalist, imaginary, baseless neoconservative beliefs.

From someone who does the wear the uniform, and still believes that he is but one line of defense in preserving the goodness that is a progressive America who doesn't live all her years in the Middle Ages, to you: **** YOU!

And lastly, I suggest you get your lazy ass out of what ever east coast city you live in and actually see "fly over country".
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline General Battuta

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You realize you're talking to an American serviceman? You sit in front of your computer and play WoW while he gives years of his life in service of the ideals you claim to be the exemplar of, and this is how you treat him?

I can only imagine the contradiction in your programming. You're faced with one of the creatures you're supposed to deify and support, but suddenly he doesn't meet your tinpot definition of unquestioning, uncritical patriotism. How are you going to handle this?

 

Offline TESLA

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and i thought the overpopulation thread (which it started from) was heated  :p
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Offline iamzack

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Liberator, the walking irony machine, strikes again!
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

Offline Liberator

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Being a serviceman earns him my thanks for his service and my prayers for his continued well being.  It does not, however, earn him a pass on political discussion.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline Rian

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It does, however, make your "lazy ass" comment completely out of line.

 

Offline iamzack

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Maybe not, but it does exempt him from this:

And lastly, I suggest you get your lazy ass out of what ever east coast city you live in and actually see "fly over country".

Rian got there first. :<
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

Offline General Battuta

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And lastly, I suggest you get your lazy ass out of what ever east coast city you live in and actually see "fly over country".

This only proves that you don't actually read people's posts, since if you did, you'd be well aware by now that nuclear1 was a member of the Air Force. It was brought up earlier in this thread.

Ironically, the fact that you're just skimming (or plain ignoring) your opponents proves so much of his post correct.

Whoops, Rian and zack beat me.

 

Offline iamzack

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Offline Scotty

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Apparently, it does also not earn him a consideration of rather remarkable speech.  He supports Obama because he, as a servicement of the United States, is bound by duty to do so.  "Commander in Chief" is not a meaningless title.

Second:  This is the last post he made in this thread before his wonderful speech there.
I think they don't realize that they're "government" insurance isn't actually run by the government, merely paid for by same.

Thank you for insulting my intelligence.

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*Unless you happen to be an unwanted child who hasn't been born yet.
He has not even argued on this point.

Third:  He specifically addressed his speech to Spardason.  Cool it, and take a look at what he actually said, not what you are trying desperately to paint it as.

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And lastly, I suggest you get your lazy ass out of what ever east coast city you live in and actually see "fly over country".

What the **** are you on?  He's a ****ing U.S. AIRMAN for God's sake!

Lastly:
Liberator is a walking irony machine.
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Nuclear, there are several people I know whose views I at least partially agree with that I'd freaking love to shove that post in the faces of in an attempt to shut them the **** up.  Thanks for that. :)
and This.

EDIT:  dang, I haven't had to press the post button five times ever.

 

Offline Liberator

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You are correct, my "lazy ass " comment was out of line.  I apologize.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.