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Offline Kosh

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Ok, so bats are descended from rats, so what animals are felines descended from?
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Mammals all originated from Anunuki. . Google it :)
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Cats and Dogs had a common ancestor iirc.

 

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Figures, so what is their common ancestor?


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I thought it was from the Flying Spaghetti Monster but there you have it. :p
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Well, originally, from what I remember, it started with a little shrew-like creature in the Gobi Desert, Malestes gobiensis or the like.

But from memory, the closest 'real' ancestor of Dogs and Cats in particular was something else, I'll go look.

Edit: Apparently, it traces back to things like Proailurus, which in turn evolved from Miacids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miacids
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For the record, if this turns into a creation vs evolution topic.


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Also, what the heck is with the platypus? Is it in a genre of its own or what?
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I believe the platypus is a bit of an anomaly, it's a mammal, more like a kangaroo, (marsupial (sp?) family?), yet it lays eggs, a throwback to when mammals separated from the lizard family. :o  ;)
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A platypus is designated as a monotreme, an egg-laying mammal, the only other living example of which is the echidna (or spiny anteater).  Like Wobble said, they're kind of evolutionary leftovers of the very earliest forms of mammals.  Though in the case of the platypus, maybe it's just what God came up with one night on a bender. :p

 

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The platypus is nature's way of saying "I made this from parts I found on the workshop floor...and it can still cripple you."
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we're all descendants from apes, aren't we?

or is it fish that grew legs and crawled onto land

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we're all descendants from apes, aren't we?

or is it fish that grew legs and crawled onto land

 :rolleyes:

You seem to believe those are mutually exclusive. Drawing your knowledge of evolution from Chick tracts is bad, m'kay?

(Though in all honesty, that's an insult to Jack Chick; even he got that bit right, once. But he deserves it anyways.)
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I heard Felines are most closely related to weasels or farrets.
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weasels and ferrets are rodents, aren't they? felines are probably closer to canines than rodents...
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The theory is that all mammals came from rodent-like creatures. That's what a shrew is.
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Your fundamental premise is flawed. Bats are not descended from rats. Bats and Rats had a recent common ancestor, but they both appeared fairly close to each other (well, rodents and chiropterans did anyway, not the modern species of bat and rat). Monotremes (of which there are only 3 species, the platypus and the long and short beaked echidna) most likely represent a type of animal closer to the original mammalian ancestors - the placentals and marsupials would have split off from monotremes first, then themselves further split down the modern lines. All of this seems to have happened fairly early though, as we have fossil evidence for Monotremes, Marsupials and placentals here in Australia (not counting bats there, for obvious reasons).

Stealth I'm going to ignore because he should know the answer by now, and it's impossible to change the willingly ignorant.

Felines and Canines are relatively close (both in order Carnivora), but so are weasels and ferrets (they're not rodents - think about their teeth and it's pretty obvious). Actually, the general distinction in carnivora is a dog-like/cat-like split. I'm not sure how closely that's linked with fossil or genetic evidence, but it would suggest dogs and cats are actually descended from the two branches that diverged very early on in carnivoran evolution. NB - weasels and the like are actually in the dog-like group, so they're not the closest to cats by any stretch.

High Max - Note that "Shrew-like" and "Rodent-like" should be taken as very different things. Shrew-like is morphological, while rodent-like implies some kind of genetic relationship. Rodents are a relatively modern innovation, post KT mammalian diversification, and are quite highly evolved (again, think about the teeth - those big, constantly growing, constantly sharpened front teeth to be precise).
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Here's the def of rodent:

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/rodent

rodent 
A noun
 1  rodent, gnawer, gnawing animal
 
   relatively small gnawing animals having a single pair of constantly growing incisor teeth specialized for gnawin


Is that all there is to the definition of a rodent? So anything with that description is a rodent or is the def leaving out some important qualities that make a rodent a rodent? Also, I think rodents are omnivores and eat bugs too, and I think being an omnivore is more evolved and adaptable than creatures that are only either herbivores or carnivores.
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What you think being of course immaterial; Black Wolf is defining things from a biology standpoint, not that of a layman.
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Ok, maybe an encyclopedia or wikipedia would be better, like I thought.
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