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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
I always liked the B-Wing.  Maybe not fast or designed to dogfight but correct me if I'm wrong but the B-Wing is basically the greatest amount of firepower in the smallest ship possible right?  Its designed to make things bigger than it hurt... a lot.
So true. :nod:

Also, I'm with Dragon. I'd LOVE to see the B-wing/E and E-2 variants in FOTG.

The B-wing won't be an effective dogfighter, but that's not to say it won't be able to get the occasional lucky shot.  But anyone stupid enough to get caught in its line of sight deserves a quick death.
I agree, but I also think a skilled B-wing pilot could get off more than a lucky shot in a fighter-to-fighter engagement. Anyone stupid enough to get caught in it's line of fire is gonna get a quick death whether they like it or not. :lol:
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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
In reality, I think that the initial release will have primarily the base ships. Variants will possibly show their faces later.

After all, how many variants of the X-Wing are there? T-65B, T-65C-A2, T-65D, etc., etc.

...Not to mention all the types that haven't been modeled yet...
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There are 4 versions of standard X-W that would require major remodelling, XJ Wings are more like another class of fighters.
In fact, FoTG may be interested in standard, ReconX and TandemX (larger, more torpedoes and 7 engines) versions, as the 4th one was a trainer.
There's also T65D, but it only lacked astromech droid.

 

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Here's my source for data on the X-Wing:

http://saxman.xwlegacy.net/

Hopefully the link isn't broken. If you have to fool about the site to find the data you need, please take the time, as it's worth the read. The believe the man took a great bit of time reading through many, many novels to come up with the variants list. In fact, I like the article so much that I saved it as a word file...
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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
Why the "Nu" behind B-Wing?

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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
Because like in the music industry (Applies heavily in Electronic music), Nu is the word for New.

 

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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
Why the "Nu" behind B-Wing?

It's a ship so powerful, it's so easy to fly it that it's almost considered cheating. Which is why it's called a NooB-Wing, or Nu B-Wing for short.
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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
Hehe, not quite newman.

Ever since I started redoing my old models I added a Nu in front of them just for fun, to say that these were new versions of old models, so people wouldn't get confused.  It just so happened that on the B-Wing the prefix added an odd hilarity
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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
It's a ship so powerful, it's so easy to fly it that it's almost considered cheating. Which is why it's called a NooB-Wing, or Nu B-Wing for short.

And it's so hard to hit. It's like the SF Dragon of Star Wars. Not only must you be very skilled, you must be flying a fighter that is almost as agile as the B-wing, and that's very, very rare.

I agree. Flying a B-wing is, for this very reason, cheating.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
Where did we get the idea that the B-Wing was agile...?

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The B-wing was designed to replace the aging BTL Y-wing starfighter in the heavy assault role, as it had the advantage of more weaponry and stronger shields. However, the B-wing had several weaknesses, notably being difficult to fly and lacking speed and agility. Its large hull furthermore made it an easier target and it also had less armor protection. Consequently, it never fully succeeded supplanting the Y-wing as intended.

 
The cockpit module of a B-wing showing the groove allowing for rotation.In particular, the rotating hull system made the B-wing a challenge to master. It also made the ship abnormally delicate; too many sharp turns could cause extreme strain to the spaceframe, and the cockpit rotation system could get stuck in one position
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It's hard to hit from behind without any assistance, but get it to cross your T and you should get a nice broadside on the big ass wing.
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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
I've said in the past that I didn't mind the B-Wing being faster than the Y-Wing, as it was that way in good 'ole X-Wing. However, your maneuverability was for the toilet and anything that shot at you was going to hit you. I assume the hull would, despite being so thin, be quite dense and well armored. And though the Y-Wing is very tough, the plating on the B-Wing doesn't expose "all the guts," so you might argue the hull is generally tougher than the glorious Y-Wing. However, I'd take the "Y" anyday over the B-Wing...  :mad:

The B-Wing is simply not a balanced fighter. The X- and Y-Wings are capable of doing about anything, though.
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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
As far as I can tell the direction we're going now is to make the top speeds of the various fighters be reasonably close to each other - energy management included. So the B-wing isn't going to be dreadfully slow compared to the X-wing, for example: the B-wing's base speed is noticeably slower, but you'll get a much bigger boost when you divert all energy to engines than the X-wing would, so most of the time it'll be slower but it can still almost keep up for a while if it really needs to. The X-wing on the other hand has a pretty good regular top speed, but it doesn't gain as much from diverting all energy to engines. A TIE Interceptor or an A-wing would get even smaller speed boosts from doing the same.

Also I think the biggest differences between "fast" and "slow" fighters should be in manouverability, not raw speed. Even if the B-wing was as fast as every other ship, it still wouldn't save you in a dogfight if your manouverability was a lot worse. Besides, speed is the main ingredient in avoiding turret fire, so the B-wing might end up quite useless against bigger ships (which it's supposed to be good at striking) if it was actually a lot slower than the other fighters.

So yes, the B- and Y-wings won't be dreadfully slow. Somewhat slower and less manouverable, sure.

 

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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
As far as I can tell the direction we're going now is to make the top speeds of the various fighters be reasonably close to each other - energy management included. So the B-wing isn't going to be dreadfully slow compared to the X-wing, for example: the B-wing's base speed is noticeably slower, but you'll get a much bigger boost when you divert all energy to engines than the X-wing would, so most of the time it'll be slower but it can still almost keep up for a while if it really needs to. The X-wing on the other hand has a pretty good regular top speed, but it doesn't gain as much from diverting all energy to engines. A TIE Interceptor or an A-wing would get even smaller speed boosts from doing the same.

Also I think the biggest differences between "fast" and "slow" fighters should be in manouverability, not raw speed. Even if the B-wing was as fast as every other ship, it still wouldn't save you in a dogfight if your manouverability was a lot worse. Besides, speed is the main ingredient in avoiding turret fire, so the B-wing might end up quite useless against bigger ships (which it's supposed to be good at striking) if it was actually a lot slower than the other fighters.

So yes, the B- and Y-wings won't be dreadfully slow. Somewhat slower and less manouverable, sure.
so long as the Y can dogfight with the dance of power and throttle, I'll cope.
And the B-wing seems like it'll be mainly used in single-player campaigns for capital strikes, and in MP it'll be...interesting to say the least.

 

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And it's so hard to hit. It's like the SF Dragon of Star Wars. Not only must you be very skilled, you must be flying a fighter that is almost as agile as the B-wing, and that's very, very rare.

I agree. Flying a B-wing is, for this very reason, cheating.  :rolleyes:

Please tell me you didn't take my comment seriously. I mean, I actually said the craft's name is n00b-wing, come on..
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Oh? I did. I missed the :rolleyes: smiley that's often used to indicate sarcasm.

Sorry for the countersarcasm then. :D
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Did they ever film the B-Wing sequence for Return of the Jedi?  I know they were planning to do it  but cut it because the ship was hard to film.  If there is actually footage is that floating around somewhere in the interwebs?

Edit>>I should clarify, supposedly there was going to be a B-Wing specific segment highlighting there usage like popping an ISD or something.  I am not referring to the mixed fighter shots and strike foil change.   
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Re: Noob, Er, I mean, NuB-wing
Did they ever film the B-Wing sequence for Return of the Jedi?  I know they were planning to do it  but cut it because the ship was hard to film.  If there is actually footage is that floating around somewhere in the interwebs?

Edit>>I should clarify, supposedly there was going to be a B-Wing specific segment highlighting there usage like popping an ISD or something.  I am not referring to the mixed fighter shots and strike foil change.   
I keep thinking there is a scene featuring them specially, but alas, i have yet to see it, but keep thinking it exists. its maddening .

 

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Don't you see a few opening their S-Spoilers on the Battle of Endor?

 

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It's a three-second segment, and that's it for the B-wing.

Maybe you can see some during the "Departure to Endor" scene when the Alliance fleet is jumping from Sullust.
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