[vyper]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6857571.ece

Israel is using an ultra-Orthodox group to crack down on Messianic Jews — who believe that Jesus is the Messiah — and prevent them from staying in the country, officials have told The Times.

The Messianic Jews have been accused of Christian missionary activities and complain of harassment and intimidation by the state.

An official at the Interior Ministry said that an anti-assimilation group called Yad L’Achim was working with the ministry to prevent Messianic Jews — known as Jews for Jesus — from being allowed to live in Israel, which they consider their spiritual home.

“There is a known history of Yad L’Achim working directly with the ministry. They play a distinct role in the ministry’s decision about citizenry,” the official said.

[Scotty]

Is a Messianic Jew just another name for a Christian?

I don't know what to make of that.

[Locutus of Borg]

Is a Messianic Jew just another name for a Christian?

Yes

[Scotty]

I really don't know what to make of that now.  I am, however, sensing a Godwin in the near future.

[karajorma]

Good. Let's hope this continues.


No one seems to care what they do to Muslims but once Christians start being mistreated due to their religion the message might finally get through to America that they can't simply rubber stamp everything Israel does.


As for the term. Jew describes both the religion and the ethnicity. So you can be a Christian Jew, a Muslim Jew or whatever. In order to avoid confusion people use the term Messianic Jew.

[Bobboau]

"In order to avoid confusion people use the term Messianic Jew."

well they fail, spectacularly.

[karajorma]

Didn't confuse me. Christian Jew would confuse more people.

[Stealth]

dunno if it effects him, but it might affect him

[karajorma]

I believe Sandwich is a national there so it's unlikely to affect him. This affects is people who are emigrating to Israel.

Of course I suspect that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[StarSlayer]

Good. Let's hope this continues.


No one seems to care what they do to Muslims but once Christians start being mistreated due to their religion the message might finally get through to America that they can't simply rubber stamp everything Israel does.


As for the term. Jew describes both the religion and the ethnicity. So you can be a Christian Jew, a Muslim Jew or whatever. In order to avoid confusion people use the term Messianic Jew.

The wing nuts don't actually care about Israel, their main concern is that they need the Temple Mount rebuilt in order to kick off Judgement Day.  I guess we can thank Legios V Macedonica, XII Fulminata, XV Apollinaris for tearing it down in the first place and putting a kink in their whole apocalypse plan. 


Good Job Titus.

[Kosh]

Good. Let's hope this continues.


No one seems to care what they do to Muslims but once Christians start being mistreated due to their religion the message might finally get through to America that they can't simply rubber stamp everything Israel does.


As for the term. Jew describes both the religion and the ethnicity. So you can be a Christian Jew, a Muslim Jew or whatever. In order to avoid confusion people use the term Messianic Jew.

There are Arab Christians living in the occupied terroritories, and they are also mistreated under the Israeli occupation.


In reality many American christians will continue to support Israel anyway, because of some non-sensical Book of Revelations End of Days prophetic nonsense.

[BloodEagle]

In reality many American christians will continue to support Israel anyway, because of some non-sensical Book of Revelations End of Days prophetic nonsense.

And the blanket insult of the year goes to.... Damn it, I can't get the envelope open. Hang on.

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Iamzack? Huh. That's anticlimactic.

[General Battuta]

Although I'd normally stand up against generalization here, 'many American Christians' really isn't inaccurate, y'know.

He didn't say 'all'.

[karajorma]

I'm not worried about the wingnuts so much as the way pretty much the rest of the country seems to give Israel carte blanche. If Americans realise that they are persecuting Christians too they might stop seeing it as good guys and bad guys.


Getting back to the main topic though. I've always found it quite funny that the Messianic Jews as a whole have, by and large, tended to be on Jew's side when it came to the whole issue with the Palestinians. For instance I've seen several Messianic Jews argue that Israel is justified in preventing the Palestinian Right of Return on the grounds that if Muslims were allowed to enter the country it would stop Israel being a Jewish state. Guess what? That's pretty much the argument that is now being used against Messianic Jews.

It's almost as if they couldn't see that not arguing in favour of separation of synagogue and state wouldn't one day bite them on the arse.

[Kosh]

If Americans realise that they are persecuting Christians too they might stop seeing it as good guys and bad guys.

Like I said, for the most part it wont happen, especially when so many preachers are in their churches saying they should support Israel so they can get their Apocalypse going......

[TrashMan]

I thought this was old news.

[Colonol Dekker]

Skipped the content. . . .
AFFECTS, not effects. Please, it doesn't take much effort to use words in the right context. This is does my head in.
 

[karajorma]

I thought this was old news.

It's old news that some Jews occasionally treat the Christians in a ****ty fashion. This particular method is new to me though.

It still makes it ****ing hilarious that they defend the same behaviour when not directed at them.

[vyper]

Skipped the content. . . .
AFFECTS, not effects. Please, it doesn't take much effort to use words in the right context. This is does my head in.
 

Telling you to go **** yourself affects my mood. Positively.

That better?

[Dilmah G]

Hey, just change the thread title and we don't have to whinge about the way Dekker "suggested" it.