[WeatherOp]

Come on, both of you, keep it civil...this is HLP, we're better than just petty name-calling.

Your a mook. 

[Nuclear1]

Your face is a mook!

[WeatherOp]

Your face is a mook!

Heck, having the flu for the past 4 days and looking very rough, I will not disagree.

[NGTM-1R]

I am none of them, I was falsely censored by Goober. Anything that isn't 100% politically correct he will crush it, he more or less said so himself.

And by the way, do **** off for comparing me to them. Of course Goober would censor an opinion he disagrees with, but see if he does anything about a personal attack against me.

Oh come now. How much have I said that's not politically correct and directly in opposition to Goober of late? I even mounted a somewhat dubious (even I recognize it) personal attack on his political beliefs in another thread.

Nothing happened.

If you looked around, you'd see that it was an isolated instance. You're also ascribing things to Goober not actually said. I could call you a liar, if you like? Misrepresenting the facts?

If the shoe fits, accept it's stuck in your mouth.

[Kosh]

Forgive and forget! 

I will if he does.   

Oh come now. How much have I said that's not politically correct and directly in opposition to Goober of late? I even mounted a somewhat dubious (even I recognize it) personal attack on his political beliefs in another thread.

Nothing happened.

If you looked around, you'd see that it was an isolated instance. You're also ascribing things to Goober not actually said. I could call you a liar, if you like? Misrepresenting the facts?

If the shoe fits, accept it's stuck in your mouth.

All of us have said many things that were not politically correct over the years and nothing happened, but something has changed.

[General Battuta]

Mistakes happen. You can't get a trend from that.

[karajorma]

Goober pretty much said it was a deliberate change in policy in the post where he monkeyed Kosh though. And he gave more of an explanation of the change in the PM he sent to Kosh explaining the monkeying. So Kosh actually has more data than a single data point.

I happen to completely disagree with the change and have basically said as much.

NGTM-1R, I'd watch out if I were you. You would have been monkeyed for things you've got away with in the past under this rule change. Kosh was simply the first victim, it could just as easily have been you.

[Mars]

Hmmm. . . I'd have to say that that's really not comforting Kara :-/

[The E]

Rule changes are one thing, but why don't the guidelines for forum conduct get updated with them?

[karajorma]

That's yet another point I have to bring up with Goober.

[Goober5000]

It's not a change in policy.  Here is what I specifically said:

Now, historically we've focused on the major offenders, and let the minor offenses slide.  Recently there has been a discussion about improving the tone in General Discussion, so we are now targeting the minor offenses as well as the major ones.

[NGTM-1R]

Uh, Goob? That first sentence there basically states it's a change in policy.

[Mars]

I think he means that the policy has already been changed and so the drama should really be minimal.

Frankly I don't like that policy regardless. It seems slightly overbearing, and unlikely to effect any real, positive change, only more drama.

Goober, what both you and I see as the degradation of output on HLP hasn't been brought about because of a instances of name calling. People change, and so forum discussions do to. HLP stands to survive a bout of not so great discussion and production, but if the administration is seen to be too harsh, more people will leave, eventually leading to the complete breakup of the community.

[Goober5000]

It's not a change in policy because 1) we haven't updated the forum guidelines; 2) there wasn't any indication of how long "now" would last.

Basically what happened was the application of an existing policy, to wit: we monkey people for trolling.  Only in this instance a) I dialed down the threshold for what constituted a trollish post; and b) didn't warn him first.  (Keep in mind I've seen a lot of confrontational posts from Kosh in the past and haven't done anything until now.)  Later on I acknowledged that even with a lowered threshold, a warning should have happened before a monkeying, so I unmonkeyed him.

Keep in mind the whole reason this came about was a discussion in this thread that appeared to show a consensus that the tone in General Discussion should be improved.  Apparently either a) people don't want an improved tone as much as they thought they did; or b) this is not the best way to do it.

[Mars]

I'd have to take a definite (B) in that.

[karajorma]

Anyway, situation resolved.

You can go back to your usual level of rudeness and intolerance to each other.


Or you could try being nice.

[captain-custard]

if you are going to be nice to each other  please remember to use protection and lots of lube 

[Flipside]

We Know Drama.

[Dilmah G]

if you are going to be nice to each other  please remember to use protection and lots of lube 

Bah, I'm an all-natural man.

[TrashMan]

Anyway, situation resolved.

You can go back to your usual level of rudeness and intolerance to each other.

YAY!!!
I'm starting a political movement - FfRaI (Forumites for Rudeness and Intolerance)