[Nuclear1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7WLvVmQvfE

****ing tool.  I don't remember the last time I was this angry.

We've already got enough Americans becoming jury, judge, and executioner about the Ft Hood shootings, Fox News and the right wing hate media calling for purges of the Muslim community or instantly generalizing all American Muslims as potential terrorists, and a rise in the goddamn domestic terrorist movement disguised as the militia.  The country's already headed down a ****ty path, and now this.

I think Blitzer left his copy of the Bill of Rights at home, but Hasan is still an American citizen, goddammit, and he deserves a trial, no matter how heinous the acts he allegedly committed.  Seriously, if we abandon any sense that this guy is innocent until proven guilty or that he deserves a trial, we might as well just say **** the soldiers who died!  The whole "American servicemen die for our rights and freedoms" is apparently just a little propaganda and holiday feel-good catchphrase, but when it comes to the rights and freedoms themselves, **** THEM! 

I swear to Christ I hate my ****ing countrymen sometimes.

[Scotty]

I'm firmly unaligned and this kind of **** is most of the reason for it.

Damn talking heads don't know when to shut the hell up.

[blackhole]

And people tell me I should be proud of my heritage.

[Commander Zane]

Well...in wartime, an act of treason such as murdering your own servicemen is punishable by death.
We're in war.
He killed his own men.
Therefore, he'll most likely be killed himself.

[Ford Prefect]

Well...in wartime, an act of treason such as murdering your own servicemen is punishable by death.
We're in war.
He killed his own men.
Therefore, he'll most likely be killed himself.
I didn't watch the video.

Sorry, typos just bug me.

[MR_T3D]

Well...in wartime, an act of treason such as murdering your own servicemen is punishable by death.
We're in war.
He killed his own men.
Therefore, he'll most likely be killed himself.

I can't argue with that.
also, i really don't see anything that a trail could do other than let the guy off on some technicality.
However, I am simply ignoring his religious whatever, I'm basing this on HIM KILLING A DOZEN PEOPLE.
if he praised Jesus, Buddha, or Spaghetti Monster, i could care less.

Okay, I'm being a smidgen harsh, its possible he's not responsible for this, but its pretty much certain here.
**re watching video, further contemplation...
 
I suppose his state of mind does matter, but i'm not sure, this is pretty bad **** he did, And short of sci-fi mind control, i'm pretty sure he is consciously responsible

okay, 3:18 in video, wolf is a ****ing asshole.
this is why cable news should die
and still the bottom has jacko ****.
goddamn

[Scotty]

We aren't saying that he didn't do it.  Not even his defense is saying that.  What's he's saying is that there still needs to be an impartial trial.  Which, judging by his comments, Blitzer doesn't think too highly of.

[Kosh]

Granted I'm generally anti-Islam, but he still has rights as an American citizen. The right of due process in particular is something we must never give up, or else we will be no better then those savages.

[Nuclear1]

Well...in wartime, an act of treason such as murdering your own servicemen is punishable by death.
We're in war.
He killed his own men.
Therefore, he'll most likely be killed himself.

Not the point.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Or, like Kosh said, we're no better than them.

[NGTM-1R]

Wolf Blitzer had long ago succumbed to the desire to hear himself talk. It was inevitable.

[Liberator]

We've already got enough Americans becoming jury, judge, and executioner about the Ft Hood shootings, Fox News and the right wing hate media calling for purges of the Muslim community or instantly generalizing all American Muslims as potential terrorists, and a rise in the goddamn domestic terrorist movement disguised as the militia.  The country's already headed down a ****ty path, and now this.

I would like some links please.

Yes please.  And make them direct quotes, preferably transcripts, none of this blogosphere friend of a friend heard this guy he was in the other room while his roommate flipped by the channel that the program was on.

[mxlm]

I'm sure the various right wing media commentators have nothing but the utmost respect for Muslims, which is why they were all like 'omfg Obama's a secret Muslim'

Wait, no, that doesn't make sense.

Oh, you want a citation? You're welcome

[Liberator]

Ok, I checked the first few links in that "automated" google search(fyi if you want me to take you seriously, link me the direct searcg, not some script) the first two I looked at were thehuffingtonpost.com and theyoungturks.com, neither of which is anything more than a mouthpiece/yesman for extreme left who wouldn't know an original thought if it came up, cracked them in they're emptyheadfullofmush, and took they're wife/GF for a "trip around the world" in front of them, and the best they could come up with was blowing something said in an offhand manner to get the viewer to stay put through the commercial break into something completely out of left field, which is not what I asked for.

Come on, I'm not supposed to win...I'm the loud mouthed idiot.

[Goober5000]

Oh, shut up...

You have an excellent point here, one that I fully agree with, BUT you corrupted it by mixing in all this knee-jerk political B.S. and by claiming two disgraceful motivations where only one was present.

Yes, many Americans are stupid and are prone to say "Why do we need a defense attorney if the guy is guilty?"  They are, of course, ignoring the fact that legally he isn't guilty until he's tried and convicted in court.  This happens all the time and there's nothing surprising about it coming up in this situation.  But you seem to have twisted the stupidity into "Why do we need a defense attorney if the guy is a Muslim?"  That is what I have a problem with.  Nowhere in the video is he maligned because of his religion.

I have taken the liberty of redacting part of your post, as follows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7WLvVmQvfE

****ing tool.  I don't remember the last time I was this angry.

We've already got enough Americans becoming jury, judge, and executioner about the Ft Hood shootings, Fox News and the right wing hate media calling for purges of the Muslim community or instantly generalizing all American Muslims as potential terrorists, and a rise in the goddamn domestic terrorist movement disguised as the militia.  The country's already headed down a ****ty path, and now this.

I think Blitzer left his copy of the Bill of Rights at home, but Hasan is still an American citizen, goddammit, and he deserves a trial, no matter how heinous the acts he allegedly committed.  Seriously, if we abandon any sense that this guy is innocent until proven guilty or that he deserves a trial, we might as well just say **** the soldiers who died!  The whole "American servicemen die for our rights and freedoms" is apparently just a little propaganda and holiday feel-good catchphrase, but when it comes to the rights and freedoms themselves, **** THEM!  

I swear to Christ I hate my ****ing countrymen sometimes.

See how this version communicates the same point, without devolving into turf wars and name calling?

[NGTM-1R]

Do you perhaps fear the turf wars, then, Goober?

I know Lib does, since they make it harder and harder for him to avoid flipping the light switch and finding out once and for all whether he's in the dark, or he's got his head up the elephant's butt. Also, you present a fundementally wrong scenario; "Why do we need a defense attorney if the guy is a Muslim?" is exactly the opinion being expressed, because his being a Muslim is taken as the fundemental indicator of guilt by a wide spectrum.

Even the local paper here and the LA Times did not make explict mention that he was seen in the act by eye-witnesses or include interviews with said witnesses who would state the man's guilt (this is intensely weird, as every other shooting rampage they've covered does do this); they did make explicit mention of his presumed Muslim identity before there was any confirmation of it, both quoting Fox at first, now offering independent confirmation, still no comments that he was identified by witnesses to the attack only by those responding to it.

[Mongoose]

That may be true in general, NGTM-1R, but it's not the case for this particular video, at least not as I'm viewing it.  That was a scumbag thing for Blitzer to say regardless (I generally, though not based on much evidence, thought he was a far better man than that), but as Goober said, not only is the term "Muslim" never used by him, but he isn't even insinuating it.  It's far more along the lines of, "Okay, this guy just murdered thirteen soldiers in cold blood, so let's forgo the trial and string him up," despite the fact that said emotion runs completely counter to what said soldiers swore an oath to uphold.  I've seen a near-identical emotion expressed about any number of cases not involving Muslims in the least.  In the end, there are enough reasons to criticize Blitzer over this without needing to invent an additional one.

[karajorma]

Well...in wartime, an act of treason such as murdering your own servicemen is punishable by death.
We're in war.

With who?

Cause the whole rational behind Gitmo was that they are illegal combatants. So please explain who exactly you are at war with.

[TrashMan]

If you killed a dozen people infront of a hundered witnesses...I don't see how can the verdict be anything but guilty.

frankly, in such cases, you can even skip the trial

[karajorma]

And ignore the fact that the defendant might have been insane?

Wonderful.


I'm not saying he is insane, he probably isn't, but without a trial he'd be denied the chance to prove it if he was.

[Commander Zane]

Well...in wartime, an act of treason such as murdering your own servicemen is punishable by death.
We're in war.
He killed his own men.
Therefore, he'll most likely be killed himself.

Not the point.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Or, like Kosh said, we're no better than them.

That's not how things work in the military, he killed other soldiers while we're in a wartime position, he's punishable by death.
Now unless you've heard how UCMJ and all the military jib-jab works any and every arguement you have against my statements are invalid.