[Enigmatic Entity]

Knock...knock...knock...knock....

Still waiting for it on free analogue TV here in Australia, hopefully it will be good.

[starbug]

I must admit a new enemy would be good, they did it with the ood although they weren't bad. Daleks are great, but only if you use them sparingly. You can't have doctor who with Daleks it was really them that got the show of the ground. Still i would like the original Cybermen to come back, they haven't been in it since the 80's, they scared the crap out of me because the idea of them is more fact than fiction and there conversion proccess if you read the books and audios is far more gruesome than the borg assimilation of star trek.

[Kosh]

One thing I always wondered, before the Doctor did whatever it was that completely destroyed Gallifrey, it looked like the Time Lords were losing the war, and I wonder why? I also wonder if he did something to destroy the planet, how did it destroy every Dalek planet as well?

Still i would like the original Cybermen to come back, they haven't been in it since the 80's, they scared the crap out of me because the idea of them is more fact than fiction and there conversion proccess if you read the books and audios is far more gruesome than the borg assimilation of star trek.

With the new cybermen they pretty much just rip your brain out of your body.......what is worse than that?

EDIT: I also wonder if they will ever elaborate on the "pre-time" events that were briefly described in "The Satan's Pit".

[headdie]

EDIT: I also wonder if they will ever elaborate on the "pre-time" events that were briefly described in "The Satan's Pit".

that would be cool

[Flipside]

I thought the four knocks thing was very well done, caught me by surprise.

Spoiler:

I don't think that's the last we've seen of Galifrey though, who were the two who voted 'nay', I'm assuming the woman was a wife/ mother/daughter figure to the Doctor (regeneration means that his daughter could appear older than the Doctor himself at times), but who was the other one? I think we're going to have to wait to find the answers to that question

[Flipside]

Sorry for the double post, but here's a quick quiz:

The leader of the Timelords has, in fact, been responsible for the Death of Doctor Who in the past, can anyone remember when and how?

[Colonol Dekker]

At first post- Those statues who appeared in the 'blink' episode?
 
At second post-
 
Don't know, still think he should be the next hero character.
 
Lord president kicks butt.
 
Also I want that gauntlet.

[Flipside]

Heh, it's kind of a trick question, because it's nothing actually to do with Dr Who itself

[Flipside]

On review, it looks like I may have confused Peter Davidson with Peter Duncan, since I was thinking about the Treeman scene in Flash Gordon, that's what you get for trying to devise questions after an 8 hour train journey....

[Killer Whale]

look yes the darleks are cool and everything but i am getting sick of them being rehashed, i mean went they wiped out in their entirety last time??????

Yeh, what is with the daleks getting wiped out continually but somehow appearing back again, first it was one that fell through the time vortex, then a whole fleet of them, then four, then millions, then the creator. Did I miss any? I love the daleks, but I wish they'd have a bit more realisticness and backstory to their continued reappearance, like in the the last one if they all teleported off to different times rather than all dieing.

[Kosh]

At first post- Those statues who appeared in the 'blink' episode?
 
At second post-
 
Don't know, still think he should be the next hero character.
 
Lord president kicks butt.
 
Also I want that gauntlet.

You know, that gauntlet shows just how obnoxiously powerful the Time Lords really were, which again makes me wonder how could they possibly be losing with such power?

[Flipside]

I think there's going to be a lesson involved in that, i.e. if you scour time itself not only for things that are, but things that might have been, which is certainly what the Doctors speech seemed to imply, then you are eventually going to lose control of the situation.

If the Timelock is broken then everything will come through not just the Daleks but the Skaro Degredations, The Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the could-have-been king with his army of meanwhiles, and never-were's. The War turned into Hell.

Maybe the 'losing' is one of those 'point of view' things, maybe it's more of a loss of moral high-ground than a physical loss of the War?

[Kosh]

The impression of "losing" that I had was the Daleks seemed to be closing in (from reading about the Time War events on Wikipedia), and Gallifrey itself in the christmas special was in ruins from the war (so it looked like it was attacked, most likely from orbit).

[Flipside]

Gallifrey certainly seems ravaged, but I've not seen any real evidence that it was ravaged by Daleks, as it were, not saying it couldn't have been, but I'm trying to think like a Dr Who writer, if they have one weakness, it is that they become too attached to their storylines and characters, and tend to not want to let them go, as it were

The problem is that the Doctor treats the story of the Time war like an Onion, there's layers that need to be peeled off, and the writers keep the whole thing deliberately vague, they've even openly admitted that this is because, when you are dealing with the entire space-time continuum, you can pretty much do anything you like, even if it directly contradicts things that have happened earlier.

[IceFire]

Gallifrey certainly seems ravaged, but I've not seen any real evidence that it was ravaged by Daleks, as it were, not saying it couldn't have been, but I'm trying to think like a Dr Who writer, if they have one weakness, it is that they become too attached to their storylines and characters, and tend to not want to let them go, as it were

The problem is that the Doctor treats the story of the Time war like an Onion, there's layers that need to be peeled off, and the writers keep the whole thing deliberately vague, they've even openly admitted that this is because, when you are dealing with the entire space-time continuum, you can pretty much do anything you like, even if it directly contradicts things that have happened earlier.

I saw Dalek ships in the ruins in that opening shot... so I assumed it was them closing in.

[Kosh]

Looking at a still shot of it, there's several crashed Dalek ships, probably they were shot down.

and the writers keep the whole thing deliberately vague,

And that, more than anything else, annoys me. I like to know everything.

[Killer Whale]

Then why are you on the freespace forum?

[Kosh]

To know more, duh.