[Nuclear1]

Um, but the Supreme Court isn't a 'politician in power.'

SCOTUS has been so removed from implementing true independent justice in the US that it might as well be considered a loose coalition of politicians.  Maybe I'm just bitter because of their recent gang rape of democracy, but it sure seems that way.

Just ignore me though.  I've totally lost faith in US government institutions anyway.  No matter what party gets elected to power, they're still going to be wholly owned by the corporate side of America, and totally disregarding of true American values.  They'll risk 30,000 American lives so that Boeing, Raytheon, and Blackwater get their 30 million a year, and then sell it to us as a good thing.  They'll promise us whatever we want to hear as an electorate so we'll give them the very chance to betray and screw us.  I might as well never vote again--it won't make a difference.  Third parties mean nothing in American politics, and even if they gained any power, they'd become prey of the corporate machine within months of becoming powerful.  **** this, I'm moving to Britain.

[Mongoose]

**** this, I'm moving to Britain.

What, so you can be part of a populace that (at least judging from the general sentiment here) seems to be just as dissatisfied with its government's actions on a daily basis as our own is?  And deal with wonderful little institutionalized systems of repression of free expression like the BBFC?  You're going to get the same sorts of issues no matter where you live, just under a different guise.

Seriously, what happens now has happened before and will happen again.  It's the blessing and the curse of fundamentally-imperfect human beings being put in positions of power, as is required by any system of human government.  Either move out into the middle of the Montana wilderness and grow your beard out a foot, or sit back and accept the fact that this is the cost of doing business in our world.

(And while I don't deny the inevitable negative effects that may come from it, I agree with the Supreme Court ruling.  Under the First Amendment, you can't just restrict the expression of one particular group in a certain circumstance while allowing another the same expression.  Like it or not, that's free speech.)

[mxlm]

Why do you hate freedom?

[Grizzly]

**** this, I'm moving to Britain.

Go to North-Belgium instead. They have better food and a cute language.

[High Max]

Why do you hate freedom?

As you know, I believe in having a balance in life, including a balance of freedom; not too little, not too much, because if there is an inbalance and you have too little or too much, we will have problems. But many Americans fail to realize that there are other countries that are just as free but have have more safety and cheaper prices to boot. I heard thee days that Norway and Denmark is #1 when it comes to best quality of life and Canada is #3.

If extreme freedom is what you are looking for in a country and you want to move away from USA, I think many places in Europe are just as free as America, as well as Canada and Australia, if not more free, and have other qualities that USA is not so good at, like better safety, healthier food, and cheaper prices, and better health care and probably even a better culture, without worrying about wars.

I heard these days that Germany has more freedom. Correct? I assume UK does too, even though you must wear school uniforms and people don't carry guns, AFAIK, but that is a good thing and I am not complaining about those rules. Maybe they take education more seriously there and don't lack the discipline that the average American kids and teachers tend to. Those other countries probably have a better infrastructure (up-to-date roads, bridges, and energy alternatives) too. America seems so over-rated these days. They can't accept or even realize that in many ways, other countries have surpassed them. So many blinded by patriotism and not thinking beyond the borders and not trying to understand other cultures. However, I will say that one good thing America has done recently that was necessary and actually didn't involve war is help Haiti.

[mxlm]

So you hate freedom because you're True Neutral?

'Kay.

[High Max]

 

[Scotty]

you're True Neutral?

'Kay.

That actually makes a lot of sense about Max when you think about it.

Anyway, Supreme Courts says these guys are on U.S. soil in the midwest, then they are.  Hopefully something will come about from that.  I sure hope so, but I doubt it's guaranteed.

[High Max]

a balance of freedom; not too little, not too much, because if there is an inbalance and you have too little or too much, we will have problems.

so you hate freedom

It is amazing how many people here jump to conclusions and put words in people's mouths. Balance is not the same as hating. That makes no sense how you can get 'hate' out of me saying 'I don't like too little or too much'. If I hated it, I would say 'I hate having any'. Only a sith deals in absolutes. I only hate imbalance. I '' because of that assumption about me. I can't see any place where I said 'hate'. I do hate too much of anything though, no matter what it is. That also goes for too much oppression or too much freedom, but I do not hate a moderate amount of freedom since it is good to have an adequate amount. I also hate extremists who think black and white. There is no 'this' or 'that'. There is much in the middle too but many fail to see it. Do you understand the phrase 'too much'?

I think this:

so you hate freedom

is what we can a silly strawman argument.

[General Battuta]

Good god, humor fail.

[Dilmah G]

Oh come on HM, the link was a joke.

[High Max]

I didn't even read it really. I'm talking about mxlm and Scotty saying it without the link (the comments after that link that were directed about me). It isn't the first time people said to me 'you hate freedom' on the forum. I just hate too much but like a balance, but people like to play strawman here. But I have no problem. It's all cool.

[iamzack]

The only "too much" in freedom is when you start infringing on the *rights* of others. We are not at risk of having too much freedom generally. I mean, look at prohibition.

[Scotty]

I didn't even read it really. I'm talking about mxlm and Scotty saying it without the link (the comments after that link that were directed about me). It isn't the first time people said to me 'you hate freedom' on the forum. I just hate too much but like a balance, but people like to play strawman here. But I have no problem. It's all cool.

Good god, humor fail.

[High Max]

That's nice.

[Mars]

I read it as a personal attack as well, just saying.

[Kosh]

Um, but the Supreme Court isn't a 'politician in power.'

SCOTUS has been so removed from implementing true independent justice in the US that it might as well be considered a loose coalition of politicians.  Maybe I'm just bitter because of their recent gang rape of democracy, but it sure seems that way.

Just ignore me though.  I've totally lost faith in US government institutions anyway.  No matter what party gets elected to power, they're still going to be wholly owned by the corporate side of America, and totally disregarding of true American values.  They'll risk 30,000 American lives so that Boeing, Raytheon, and Blackwater get their 30 million a year, and then sell it to us as a good thing.  They'll promise us whatever we want to hear as an electorate so we'll give them the very chance to betray and screw us.  I might as well never vote again--it won't make a difference.  Third parties mean nothing in American politics, and even if they gained any power, they'd become prey of the corporate machine within months of becoming powerful.  **** this, I'm moving to Britain.

Britain has many of the same problems with its own government institutions, although in their case it is less of a case of being in a corporations pocket and more because of massive incompetance. You won't escape the crumbling system there.

[mxlm]

Oh come on HM, the link was a joke.

Nit pick: the stuff I linked to was serious (Stevens' dissent in the 'corporations are people too!' case), the sentence about hating freedom was certainly not.

[Dilmah G]

Oh right.

Well, there you go. 

[NGTM-1R]

**** this, I'm moving to Britain.

The  Brits have it worse, considering their lack of similar constitutional protections.