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Offline Ace

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Re: Starcraft 2 Beta is now Live
We're probably lucky that a company as big as Blizzard is now took any risks with SC2's campaign.

The actual mission design was generally very good. But yes, overall a lot of the dialog has been pretty atrocious at times.

There's some minor characters that I'm not sure why they even bothered with them
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Mira and Orlan
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The overall story feels like something I would have written as a sequel as a 15 year old kid told to make the sequel with a huge budget shortly after Brood War came out. Except that some plot developments even I'd have avoided.
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Offline Nuke

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its sad that so many people's idea of a game orbits entirely around the plot or the voice acting. its a game, its not the next battlestar galactica, its not an oscar winning performance in a big budget movie, its a game. while a crappy plot might hurt immersion to a degree, it certainly isnt going to make the gameplay worse. i spent years playing games that had no plot at all. elite is a good example, it had no plot, but was still an awesome game in its day. super mario brothers, very flimsy plot just enough to explain what you need to do. then you got tetris, ive probibly played tetris to death. if i see anything with tetris on it i play it on impulse. then i think about games like quake, doom, descent, all of which had very flimsy nonexistant plots, and all were awesome games. maybe i came up in the era where games didnt need a plot to be awesome. its an old skool attitude but its one im proud to have. 

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i could care less about the plot. my question is how is the gameplay? does it have the depth of strategy that sc1 had? hell im still coming up with new tactics and strategies for that game. im always trying out some new method of killing the enemy, disrupting their activities and slowing down their deployment. starcraft is chess on meth. does its sequal match up on that level? these are the things im intrested in. not weather they managed to score the same voice actors as a decade ago.
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Offline General Battuta

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I've only played the SP so I couldn't tell you. My thoughts so far are concerned solely with it.

 

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oh yea, i forgot to ask about the drm. see i have to fly to juneau on the second and i figured id just pick it up off the shelf at the walmart. thing is im gonna take my laptop and play sc2 on it while im there. now when i get back, are they gonna give me any **** when i install it on this machine? this is why i dont like to buy games any more. i dont know how underhanded the drm is gonna be. i dont know if its only gonna let me install it on one computer. i dont want to have to explain myself to a $5/hr hotline that keeps me on hold for 2 hours. i dont want to have to apply cracks to the game to let me play it on all my computers. because if thats the way its gonna be, i might as well just pirate the damn thing.
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Re: Starcraft 2 Beta is now Live
Did you disable peer-to-peer networking in some kind of download settings thing on the Blizzard downloader?

Unless it came that way, no.

EDIT: It did not. Currently down to five hours, or sometimes six, depending on when I glance at it. 40% complete.
sounds like same issue I saw when updating WoW for my brother when he got it.
**** was so long to patch using it that it was faster to find the patches on filefront.
****ing blizzard DL'er is a PoS to me.

You said it man. I tracked it down to my internet connection that refused to work with the patcher for some reason. I had to use my old 56k connection and download the entire patch for around 3 hours to make the game work.

playing through the campaign on hard or brutal now. It's just ok. I kinda miss Raynor and his shenanigans, but that's where the emotional attachment ends. I'm a bit sad that is mainly going to be just him for this game. I do feel that I'm playing through just 1/3 of a game. Plus the thing lags every so often when the game tries to connect/reconnect with battle.net. *sigh*
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Starcraft 2 Beta is now Live
Still haven't got it done. It frozen in the middle of the night claiming that it cannot download past 67% due to lack of disk space (there are over a hundred free gigs remaining). If I turn off peer-to-peer, it does not give that message.

It simply won't complete any more download than it already has. It'll download over 100 gigs of crap but it won't add anything to the completion total.

This is the worst ****ing digital downloader ever designed.
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its not the next battlestar galactica

SCII is better than BSG, because SCII hasn't kicked me in the nuts and told me to go **** myself.

Although I still have four missions to go, so maybe it will.
Been playing SC2 a few days now. It's kinda meh. :(

Concur.

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Offline Fury

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Re: Starcraft 2 Beta is now Live
its sad that so many people's idea of a game orbits entirely around the plot or the voice acting. its a game, its not the next battlestar galactica, its not an oscar winning performance in a big budget movie, its a game. while a crappy plot might hurt immersion to a degree, it certainly isnt going to make the gameplay worse. i spent years playing games that had no plot at all. elite is a good example, it had no plot, but was still an awesome game in its day. super mario brothers, very flimsy plot just enough to explain what you need to do. then you got tetris, ive probibly played tetris to death. if i see anything with tetris on it i play it on impulse. then i think about games like quake, doom, descent, all of which had very flimsy nonexistant plots, and all were awesome games. maybe i came up in the era where games didnt need a plot to be awesome. its an old skool attitude but its one im proud to have.
That's your opinion. I prefer games where gameplay is spiced up by good story and characters where applicable. Blizzard makes an effort to get a good story and characters in SC2, but they fail hard. In games like Elite or Tetris, there's no effort at all and you don't miss them. In SC2 this is not so.

Let's for example compare FS2 campaigns where gameplay is almost always identical. The difference is in fredding which is half story and half gameplay. A good story does make a difference.

oh yea, i forgot to ask about the drm. see i have to fly to juneau on the second and i figured id just pick it up off the shelf at the walmart. thing is im gonna take my laptop and play sc2 on it while im there. now when i get back, are they gonna give me any **** when i install it on this machine? this is why i dont like to buy games any more. i dont know how underhanded the drm is gonna be. i dont know if its only gonna let me install it on one computer. i dont want to have to explain myself to a $5/hr hotline that keeps me on hold for 2 hours. i dont want to have to apply cracks to the game to let me play it on all my computers. because if thats the way its gonna be, i might as well just pirate the damn thing.
The only DRM is cd-key authentication in Battle.net and you need active internet connection to play the game, even single-player. You need to log-in to Battle.net when starting the game and the game also seems to periodically check for Battle.net afterwards.

 

Offline Fury

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And just now I learned Blizzard doesn't allow us to change key assignments, aka hotkeys. What bull****.

 

Offline The E

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Yeah.....it's like a console port in that regard, without ever being on consoles. Talk about weird.
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Offline General Battuta

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I'm annoyed by all the not-funny, in-your-face humor. Starcraft was almost credible as a serious soft SF/space opera setting and the humor and charm were a great counterpoint. Now it's bad satires of iPod ads and voodoo slapstick.

There is some charming stuff, like the spider mines, but it feels like they're writing for the WoW crowd. I'd take 'which one's the 'any' key?' over this stupid UNN news guy any day.

 
Re: Starcraft 2 Beta is now Live
Aww come on..

"I don't know how I've missed this big skull button up to now.." the final two missions (*if you went nidas rather than flything thingys) had loads of pop/cult culture references in it, I loved it :<

You do also have to consider that while they were writing it as a sequel they were also writing it as a stand alone and also writing it as a part one to a trilogy.
So they couldn't explain everything, and couldn't make it too deep and too serious.


That said.
the SC franchise is one of /those/ games where it is all about the gameplay and not so much the storyline.
If you have a different opinion unfortunately, you'll have to deal with the horde of steaming Korean hardcore skrimmers, and their fans, and their TV franchises, and their competitive-gaming scene.
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Offline Nuke

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Re: Starcraft 2 Beta is now Live
oh yea, i forgot to ask about the drm. see i have to fly to juneau on the second and i figured id just pick it up off the shelf at the walmart. thing is im gonna take my laptop and play sc2 on it while im there. now when i get back, are they gonna give me any **** when i install it on this machine? this is why i dont like to buy games any more. i dont know how underhanded the drm is gonna be. i dont know if its only gonna let me install it on one computer. i dont want to have to explain myself to a $5/hr hotline that keeps me on hold for 2 hours. i dont want to have to apply cracks to the game to let me play it on all my computers. because if thats the way its gonna be, i might as well just pirate the damn thing.
The only DRM is cd-key authentication in Battle.net and you need active internet connection to play the game, even single-player. You need to log-in to Battle.net when starting the game and the game also seems to periodically check for Battle.net afterwards.

see this is whats killing the pc games industry. i dont need some internet server monitoring my gameplay. i dont want them looking for any reason to void my license so i have to buy another copy. then some years down the line, when they shut down the servers, is the game still gonna work? i dont like this, i dont like this at all.
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Offline General Battuta

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That said.
the SC franchise is one of /those/ games where it is all about the gameplay and not so much the storyline.
If you have a different opinion unfortunately, you'll have to deal with the horde of steaming Korean hardcore skrimmers, and their fans, and their TV franchises, and their competitive-gaming scene.

This claim doesn't hold up because the original had a passable-to-excellent storyline and character writing.

The second one doesn't.

 

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Is the game worth the price or not?  :confused:
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Is the game worth the price or not?  :confused:

It's fun. I have had fun with it. But it's dumb fun, and if you valued the story and characters in the original you will probably rage at the idiocy that is Zeratul, the World of Warcraft-esque overarching storyline, and the joke that the once menacing, slick Mengsk has become.

The gameplay is an incredibly polished, ridiculously refined kind of stale.

 

Offline Fury

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Gameplay is polished SC1 with a very few new tricks. It's almost embarrassing. Coupled with other stupidities like being unable to remap keys, it can be frustrating.

It can be fun though. Depends what you're looking for. If you really love SC1, then SC2 is your thing. If you expect a modern, innovative RTS however, SC2 will be a disappointment.

 

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Thats sad.  The only reason I'd get the game is for the single-player and the story.  I can't go online and compete with people who play too much :-(
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Offline General Battuta

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If you really love SC1, then SC2 is your thing.

Well, that depends on what you loved about SC1.  :nervous:

Thats sad.  The only reason I'd get the game is for the single-player and the story.  I can't go online and compete with people who play too much :-(

It has a story. The presentation and tone are both wildly different from original Starcraft, and it's a much less interesting and compelling narrative (gone are the tragedies and reversals, the biblical Overmind, the richness of Protoss culture, the scheming Mengsk) but there's a story with a lot of effort surrounding it.

 

Offline Fury

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Well, that depends on what you loved about SC1.  :nervous:
Well, unfortunately I'd go as far as to say that those who love SC1 are those who play it in multi. SC1 wasn't exactly top class for single-player experience, and SC2 is even less. Though for multi, SC2 should be quite a bit better than SC1 sans obviously increased hardware requirements.