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Offline Nuke

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
Whatever you do with your games is none of our business, but keep it to yourself. But if you're stupid enough to openly admit you're doing something that is illegal, you're getting proper response. In the future, keep that in mind.

what about all those times i posted stoned in a state that looked down on potheads? i really dont see what the problem is if people want to admit to doing illegal things and increase their chances of getting busted by posting it online, i say let em. now if they post torrents, or piracy sites, then ban hammer them square in the nads for all i care.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2010, 08:21:31 am by Nuke »
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Unless you state you're stoned, I won't know the difference of being drunk. I haven't seen you say it, but I don't follow most topics on gendisc anyway.

However, let me stress that this is gaming community and piracy doesn't do well on HLP's reputation. We've had this discussion many times now and I really don't want to repeat it every time someone's being an idiot.

  

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What's the threshold for a ban?  Any kind of admission?  Justifiable (lol) piracy?  Two-day-trial piracy?  It's fairly vague.

 

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What's the threshold for a ban?  Any kind of admission?  Justifiable (lol) piracy?  Two-day-trial piracy?  It's fairly vague.
The threshold is: Whatever pisses Fury off enough  :p
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That was amusing  :lol:


But ya know what? Screw balance and tactics. I'm going to be bioballing from now on till it gets nerfed  :hopping:
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
That was amusing  :lol:


But ya know what? Screw balance and tactics. I'm going to be bioballing from now on till it gets nerfed  :hopping:

I had good luck against bioballs with colossi. But they're sort of an expensive and late counter.

 

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Psy Storm and Force Field seem to be a must against MMM.
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Offline General Battuta

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Psy Storm and Force Field seem to be a must against MMM.

Dark Templar too if the guys running the ball are dumb or don't pay attention.

 

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That was amusing  :lol:


But ya know what? Screw balance and tactics. I'm going to be bioballing from now on till it gets nerfed  :hopping:

I had good luck against bioballs with colossi. But they're sort of an expensive and late counter.
Not to mention they melt away when a ball goes stim :(

Edit: ^&%*%^&$%^&#*#^# this game. A lot of the time I dont really feel like im being outplayed. Its just when a terran player starts deploying 3-5 siege tanks with a bunch of marines and some medivacs/vikings everything I do becomes irrelevant. Immortals, carriers, collosi. They all vanish and go explody.
Also, I suck at this game and it doesn't seem I'll ever leave platinum at this rate.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2010, 07:38:27 pm by Spoon »
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Offline mxlm

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
A lot of the time I dont really feel like im being outplayed. Its just when a terran player starts deploying 3-5 siege tanks with a bunch of marines and some medivacs/vikings everything I do becomes irrelevant.
If you're incapable of dealing with a particular strategy, and you permit the other guy to pull off that strategy, you are being outplayed. You can't beat the terrans once they get tanks and a bio ball? Beat them earlier. Scout. Know what they have and when they have it and, therefore, when to shiv them in the guts.

Easier said than done, I know. But I find that when I lose to a bioball and tanks I was being outplayed anyway.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
That was amusing  :lol:


But ya know what? Screw balance and tactics. I'm going to be bioballing from now on till it gets nerfed  :hopping:

I had good luck against bioballs with colossi. But they're sort of an expensive and late counter.
Not to mention they melt away when a ball goes stim :(

Edit: ^&%*%^&$%^&#*#^# this game. A lot of the time I dont really feel like im being outplayed. Its just when a terran player starts deploying 3-5 siege tanks with a bunch of marines and some medivacs/vikings everything I do becomes irrelevant. Immortals, carriers, collosi. They all vanish and go explody.
Also, I suck at this game and it doesn't seem I'll ever leave platinum at this rate.

oh look at spoon complaining about how he sucks because he'll never leave platinum

 

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
If you're incapable of dealing with a particular strategy, and you permit the other guy to pull off that strategy, you are being outplayed. You can't beat the terrans once they get tanks and a bio ball? Beat them earlier. Scout. Know what they have and when they have it and, therefore, when to shiv them in the guts.

Easier said than done, I know. But I find that when I lose to a bioball and tanks I was being outplayed anyway.
That is indeed easier said then done. It's called a wall with marauders and marines. You can't break through that **** with protoss early game. The defender has a huge advantage with there being only one ramp and all. If it really was as easy as "scout, attack early" then I wouldn't be complaining about bioballs now would I?
It's stupid that a protoss player needs high end units (colossi, templar with psi storm etc) to counter a mass of 'low tier' terran infantry. Add siege tanks to that mix later on and you just can't beat them on the ground.

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oh look at spoon complaining about how he sucks because he'll never leave platinum
You'd be complaining too if your rank dropped from 5 to 30.
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[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
I stopped playing a few days ago while still at the top of my gold league, but even back then (entire DAYS ago!) I recall people complaining about siege tank damage being too high.

 

Offline mxlm

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That is indeed easier said then done. It's called a wall with marauders and marines. You can't break through that **** with protoss early game. The defender has a huge advantage with there being only one ramp and all. If it really was as easy as "scout, attack early" then I wouldn't be complaining about bioballs now would I?
So don't attack the ramp, attack the expansion. Hell, seal the ramp with your sentries while you gank the expansion. Or attack the ramp while you send a couple void rays to the primary cc. Or just mass rays and blow up his base faster than he can blow up yours. Or blink some stalkers in, gank some workers and blink out. Or whatever. If you can't beat them on even terms, don't face them on even terms.
I will ask that you explain yourself. Please do so with the clear understanding that I may decide I am angry enough to destroy all of you and raze this sickening mausoleum of fraud down to the naked rock it stands on.

 

Offline General Battuta

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That is indeed easier said then done. It's called a wall with marauders and marines. You can't break through that **** with protoss early game. The defender has a huge advantage with there being only one ramp and all. If it really was as easy as "scout, attack early" then I wouldn't be complaining about bioballs now would I?
So don't attack the ramp, attack the expansion. Hell, seal the ramp with your sentries while you gank the expansion. Or attack the ramp while you send a couple void rays to the primary cc. Or just mass rays and blow up his base faster than he can blow up yours. Or blink some stalkers in, gank some workers and blink out. Or whatever. If you can't beat them on even terms, don't face them on even terms.

Given that he's playing at platinum level I can't help but feel he knows what he's doing in this respect.

Though I'll eat crow if you're diamond.

 

Offline mxlm

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
Though I'll eat crow if you're diamond.
Gold. Well, actually, I just became gold one minute ago. Or less, even. In a game in which the dumbass called me lucky because my scouts told me he was going reapers so I countered his rush and then they told me he was going pure marauder/tank and so I built a couple rays and then I ate his army and then I ate his base and then he called me names and then I called his mom names and then he told me my family would die of cancer. That was fun.

But really, I'm just...well, I'm irritated with people* who blame the game's balancing for their difficulties. Sure, it's unlikely the game's perfectly balanced. Sure, it's not impossible Spoon's correct. But the most likely explanation for his difficulties--and no, this doesn't just apply to him. I have a devil of a time dealing with void rays, frex--is that they are his difficulties. Even if he's platinum. Especially given that, um, the better players consider platinum to be low level.

*Yes, spoon's not the first.
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Offline General Battuta

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Though I'll eat crow if you're diamond.
Gold. Well, actually, I just became gold one minute ago. Or less, even. In a game in which the dumbass called me lucky because my scouts told me he was going reapers so I countered his rush and then they told me he was going pure marauder/tank and so I built a couple rays and then I ate his army and then I ate his base and then he called me names and then I called his mom names and then he told me my family would die of cancer. That was fun.

But really, I'm just...well, I'm irritated with people* who blame the game's balancing for their difficulties. Sure, it's unlikely the game's perfectly balanced. Sure, it's not impossible Spoon's correct. But the most likely explanation for his difficulties--and no, this doesn't just apply to him. I have a devil of a time dealing with void rays, frex--is that they are his difficulties. Even if he's platinum. Especially given that, um, the better players consider platinum to be low level.

*Yes, spoon's not the first.

I stopped playing when I was at the top of gold and never had much trouble with bioballs...which suggests to me it's more of a problem at high level, not less.

Quick forum trawling suggests bioballs are considered extraordinarily hard for 'toss to counter and require a combination of Sentry micro and very careful psi storm micro to beat. Whereas the bioball guy basically has to a-click.

 

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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
It just seems that Terran is so much easier to play than Zerg or Protoss.
Bioball 1a...

I have a hell of a time stopping mass marine/MMTank pushes as zerg, cause cutesy stuff like burrowed banelings do jack **** against a good terran who scans before a-moving.

(I'm plat BTW, but everyone I've played against is diamond).
Not that I have many games, but I just don't have a friggin clue what to do.

Guess I gotta try adding more roaches/hydras cause Mutalisks are ****ing useless at actual combat.
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Re: Starcraft 2 discussion
The problem is not so much that there's an imbalance, but that everything the Terran player does defines the game.

You cannot force responses from Terran as Protoss or Zerg, but you can do so as Terran against Protoss or Zerg.

I play mostly Protoss, so here is the dilemma against the MMM as I see it. Every existing counter against the MMM as Protoss, diminishes the amount of forces you have on the map. So you do not have the freedom to make a single mistake since if you fail on a single encounter, you'll face a massive army. The Terran opponent on the other hand has more freedom to make mistakes, as even if he loses most of his forces, his remaining army is defensively still rather strong.

That said, I've heard the Zerg players are in an even worse position.  :nervous:

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A possible explanation is that Blizzard is trolling us.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2010, 12:06:40 am by Ghostavo »
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