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Offline IceFire

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or the old standby of a legion of siege tanks
That's what I had to do. Psi Disruptors and about 14 or 16 Siege tanks absolutely pounding everything in range. Banshees to take out the Nydus worms when they spawn. Still damned hard... I usually could hold out until Kerrigan would breach a defense and I'd be stuck trying to defend it again. I replayed this mission a dozen times before I beat it on Hard.

Never thought about Psi Controlling the swams of air units :D
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BlackWater Ops, Cold Element
"Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..."

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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I haven't been able to play the last couple of missions, alas, as my install is...misbehaving. Even when done from the ground up.
"Load sabot. Target Zaku, direct front!"

A Feddie Story

 

Offline IceFire

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The most frustrating thing has been playing online recently has been difficult.. Most players have now caught up to my beta experience and far far far far far surpassed it. I'll probably be down to bronze league soon :)

Also I'm never ever on the favoured team. Not sure why that is.
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"Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..."

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Anyone else find it odd to hear Free Bird, Sweet Home Alabama, and Rumble playing on a ship several hundred years in the future in a different part of the galaxy?
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 
Not if you consider your average Terran to be a Southern redneck, no.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

Offline Nuke

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the terrans in starcraft are space rednecks if you haven't figured that out yet. i also like how pop culture references in the game dont date much past the 90's. i find it comforting when games have references to movies about nam in particular. once i beat the game on hard i think il play it on the easyest difficulty, and take the time to repeatedly click on units to hear all the funny things they say.
I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Nuke's Scripting SVN

 

Offline Liberator

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Why is everyone from the South a redneck?
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Why is everyone from the South a redneck?

I don't think they are, but Starcraft's Koprulu Sector is populated by rednecks because Blizzard loves them.

 

Offline Mongoose

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Hell, I don't know how much I like the insinuation that one has to be a redneck to love Skynyrd. :p

 
In related news, the browsership of GameSpot has rated Sarah Kerrigan, Queen of Blades, the greatest video game villain [kanye]OF ALL TIME![/kanye].

http://tinyurl.com/gsvillain

Her footage in the video is from her less-than-completely-villainous appearances in SC2, so just ignore it since it is really just the douchebag talking.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Really? What kind of ****ups are they over there?

Tell me Kane made second place at least.
"Load sabot. Target Zaku, direct front!"

A Feddie Story

 
Na, it was some guy called Darth Vader from TFU.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

  

Offline Liberator

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Really? What kind of ****ups are they over there?

Tell me Kane made second place at least.
Sadly, Kane didn't make it to the 3rd round as I recall.  Which is ridiculous since his levels of villiany are eclipsed only by Kerrigan and Vader.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Na, it was some guy called Darth Vader from TFU.

Man, Vader was a good guy. TIE Fighter wouldn't lie to me!
"Load sabot. Target Zaku, direct front!"

A Feddie Story

 
Really? What kind of ****ups are they over there?

Tell me Kane made second place at least.
Sadly, Kane didn't make it to the 3rd round as I recall.  Which is ridiculous since his levels of villiany are eclipsed only by Kerrigan and Vader.
You want villainy?  Palaptine is far more villainous than Vader, especially in the prequels where he starts a war and leads it from both sides just so he can take power as Galactic Emperor, with the side effect of ****ing up half the galaxy, which as an evil Sith is just collateral damage to him.  That's so brilliantly evil and uncaring I can't think of anything that comes close.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

Offline Mongoose

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Where did Kefka wind up?  I've never played FF6, but from what I understand, the guy wanted to destroy the whole world just for ****s 'n' giggles...and actually managed it.  That's a hell of a lot more than you can say about most game villains. :p

 
Kuja holds that one too.
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

"We still believe in all the things that we stood by before,
and after everything we've seen here maybe even more.
I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."

 

Offline MP-Ryan

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Late to the party here.

While I'm generally enjoying the game, and not too upset at the storyline (I can see where Battuta is coming from, but I don't find it nearly as bad as he puts it), I must say I am really disappointed with the few Protoss missions they tossed into the mix.  I'm playing on Hard, and while the majority of Terran missions have achievements and objectives that can be met with a little creativity, these Protoss ones (especially the last 3) are crap.  Now, granted, I'm achievement-whoring here but honestly.

Spoiler:
Mission 2:  While the fight against fellow Protoss is fine and dandy, I was more than a little miffed that I had to confront an ever-more-powerful uber boss too.  Honestly?  Oh, and I have to do this is 25 minutes or less?  I managed to speed run it with Dark Templar for the timed achievement but none of the others, then replayed and walked over the map with templar, immortals, and stalkers for the other two.  The mission design just felt like it required two playthroughs - which is unfortunate, because I never had to do that with the Terran missions.  Speed run achievements just frustrate me in general though - it rewards for micromanagement abilities, not strategy play.  That's one of my biggest beefs with Blizzard RTS games in general though - the strategy element is often ignored in favor of micromanaging unit abilities.

Mission 3:  At first I thought "Oh, this is more like it, finally a mission where I can pound the snot out of the Zerg with my superior firepower.  Wait... what?  Another timed achievement?  Oh, and waves of increasingly painful Zerg sneak attacks through Nydus worms.  All without aerial units or, indeed, anything capable of killing them other than Stalkers, which have left me really underwhelmed compared to their Dragoon precursors.  Wonderful!  Alright fine... I exploit Blink to its full potential and finish the mission in 6 minutes.  HA!  But naturally, that doesn't get me all the objectives... so then I go back, power both towers, and cap the final tentacle just as my final structure in my virtually undefended base falls to the Zerg (after reloading 4 times so Zeratul will Blink properly).  Objectives done, achievements done, but it doesn't feel satisfying in the slightest.  Can't someone give me a mission where I can take a good old Protoss base and wipe out a superior force after an epic fight to the death with mixed units to counter any threat?  I miss those!  You could give it an achievement called "Kick the Snot Out of the Hydralisk's Teeth" for cleaning the map (Hey, you gave me Feats of Strength achievements for doing it on earlier missions).  Maybe the final Prophecy mission will do it...

Mission 4:  Hey, this doesn't look so bad.  I guess I can just build up and... oh you're kidding, a defend for X minutes mission?  Kiss my ass Blizzard.  This is worse than timed offensive missions - now I have to micromanage unit abilities.  Oh great, and you're going to throw ultra-powerful boss units at me on top of the regular Zerg fodder for my photon cannons.  Blizzard, I think you missed the point somewhere:  Zerg is supposed to run attack waves with large numbers of cheap, mixed units to overwhelm the enemy - adding an overpowered extra unit to the mix ruins the point - I might as well be fighting Protoss that cheat to produce units at speed.  So instead of building proper strategic counters in units to a unit fight, I get to sit a micromanage Graviton Beams for twenty ****ing minutes while trying to run a simultaneous defense.  This is tomorrow's project... seeing they send very few detectors, I think I'm going to plunk a wall of dark templar on the bridges and let my Collosi kick some ass for a while.  Maybe then I'll get the bonus objective and rack up the necessary addition kills.

The Terran mission design has been great thus far, but these Protoss missions are CRAP.  Protoss is my favorite race by far, and I'm now to the point where I just want these Prophecy missions over and done with as expediently as possible because the missions are so bloody unrewarding - it just feels like painful, monotonous grind, propelled entirely by scripted events and never allowing the player to actually match wits and abilities against a dynamic foe - and no, I don't want to resort to Custom games to get that feeling.  All I can say is the Protoss expansion to SC2 had better be a damn sight better than these.  I can safely say that, once completed with all the remaining achievements in the fourth mission, I will never play these ****ty missions again.  It almost makes me want to use that laser drill again... almost.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2010, 01:34:35 am by MP-Ryan »
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Offline mxlm

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You're underwhelmed by stalkers?

Dude.
I will ask that you explain yourself. Please do so with the clear understanding that I may decide I am angry enough to destroy all of you and raze this sickening mausoleum of fraud down to the naked rock it stands on.

 

Offline Liberator

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In a minor defense of the Prophecy missions,
Spoiler:
the mission in question that requires micro of graviton beams is supposed to be what Zeratul saw in his vision from the Overmind via "Tassadar"(I don't really think it's him) of the final battle of "The Forces of Light" IE the Protoss since all the humies are dead vs "The Forces of Darkness".  The only problem with this is that scenario, from an intellectual standpoint is a BOE scenario.  Listen to Raynor try to describe it.  "More Protoss than we knew existed..." I wouldn't be surprised if Blizz does a long form cinematic to detail that battle if it comes to that.  In a battle that large, a single player's army would be a puff of smoke.  The idea of the mission is to provide the knowledge that without Kerrigan in control of at least some of the Zerg, that future will come to pass.  That the forces of the enemy, who ever he/she/it is, are unstoppable.  Not even by the most powerful race in the universe in their billions and all their ships and technology.  What it boils down to is that you can't represent a situation in an RTS where the goal is to lose very easily when the player isn't presented with at least the illusion of being able to fight back.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.