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Offline Snail

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Wow this topic grew an arm, a leg and bought some trousers while I was gone. :P

Just to throw this out there, the Elders aren't just religious fanatics - There is a lot of reason to believe that the Elders, like Samuel Bei, can communicate with very advanced races, like the Vishnans.

The GTVA might be concentrating on hard power but the Elders could actually have the ability to do a lot more than the GTVA imagine. The Elders almost bridge the gap between the mythological aspects of FS/BP lore with politics.

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I think it is now safe to assume that there are more people who can communicate with the Vishnans than we may realise... :nervous:
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Go ahead, then, demonstrate it to me.

Everything you've said about the UEF military in WiH. :P
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And Scotty tells me to stick to the topic :blah: Talking about BP in a more generalized manner is more interesting anyways.

I say you should stop fishing for answers.  We'll get them when they want us to get them. :P

Anyway, do we have any confirming evidence that Vishnans even, for lack of a better word, exist in this particular (once again, for lack of a better word) dimension?

 

Offline General Battuta

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Go ahead, then, demonstrate it to me.

Everything you've said about the UEF military in WiH. :P

I'm not sure that proves what you're trying to say. It just shows that the UEF military wasn't in a great place when the GTVA kicked down the node after 50 years of peace, isolation, and - as far as anyone knew - guaranteed safety.

The UEF's economic and technological prowess, never mind its social cohesion, could produce a formidable war effort under the right circumstances. You can't say they haven't 'invested in preparedness' when their infrastructure is so well-developed. It's not hard to start making things what go boom and not hard to train the people to use them - at least not when you've already got good industry and education in place.

 

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I'm not sure that proves what you're trying to say. It just shows that the UEF military wasn't in a great place when the GTVA kicked down the node after 50 years of peace, isolation, and - as far as anyone knew - guaranteed safety.

The UEF's economic and technological prowess, never mind its social cohesion, could produce a formidable war effort under the right circumstances. You can't say they haven't 'invested in preparedness' when their infrastructure is so well-developed. It's not hard to start making things what go boom and not hard to train the people to use them - at least not when you've already got good industry and education in place.

I direct you to modern Europe, which would be hard-pressed to deploy 10,000 troops on short notice.

It does take time. We're not talking about a situation where weapons systems are simple like they were in the Second World War and even that took effort. The US fleet that won the war in the Pacific was authorized with the Vinson Bill in 1938. It took five years from ordering to commissioning of the first carrier hulls, in peacetime. Specifications for the aircraft that would fly from them were issued anywhere from two to four years before they were fielded. You cannot extemporize a navy. You can extemporize an army, but even in doing that you cannot expect to defeat professional opponents in open combat.

The economic and industrial manner in which the Shivans would be defeated, if that's possible, is going to be based on the Soviet Union post-WW2, with a professional military force plus massive stocks of equipment and material awaiting rapid mobilization in time of trouble.

This is because in the face of a Shivan invasion, the most precious of commodities is time, measured in weeks and days. There are no natural barriers worthy of the name to retard Shivan progress. Only force of arms can do that, and the force the Shivans can bring to bear increases exponentionally the longer the conflict lasts. Unless you can match that exponential increase in weeks, there's no reason to believe you'll win. Even being extremely generous and saying the UEF can produce a formidible war effort in three years...that's going to be two years and eleven months too late when dealing with the Shivans. Unless the ships are there in service or in mothballs, the fightercraft and weapons lines running a constant low-rate or even full-rate production in anticipation, then none of it is going to make a meaningful contribution to a war against the Shivans.
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Sure, but I'm not arguing that the UEF is ready for a Shivan invasion right now. They didn't, so far as they knew, have any reason to be.

As a culture, though, they have the ability to be tremendous contributors in the long term. They've got a tradition of industry, science, and education, and they're industrially very potent. Their naval engineers are not remotely bad.

There's additional information here that I can't divulge yet, but The_E's earlier remark about the Culture may be telling with some thought.
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Why wouldn't the UEF try to prepare for the next Shivan invasion?  Isn't it mentioned at the end of FS1 that the Shivans will return, and that they have the technology to reopen the Sol-Delta Serpentis jump node?  If I was in control of the Earth government, I would definitely try to have an extremely powerful navy in case the Terrans and Vasudans outside Sol fell and the Shivans reopened the node.
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Why wouldn't the UEF try to prepare for the next Shivan invasion?  Isn't it mentioned at the end of FS1 that the Shivans will return, and that they have the technology to reopen the Sol-Delta Serpentis jump node?  If I was in control of the Earth government, I would definitely try to have an extremely powerful navy in case the Terrans and Vasudans outside Sol fell and the Shivans reopened the node.

Now, that's an interesting question, isn't it?

 

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Why wouldn't the UEF try to prepare for the next Shivan invasion?  Isn't it mentioned at the end of FS1 that the Shivans will return, and that they have the technology to reopen the Sol-Delta Serpentis jump node?  If I was in control of the Earth government, I would definitely try to have an extremely powerful navy in case the Terrans and Vasudans outside Sol fell and the Shivans reopened the node.

Now, that's an interesting question, isn't it?

Cryptic answer is cryptic.

Just keep up with the minor fluff answers. It makes the waiting more bearable.

 

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I seem to recall someone on-staff mentioning (possibly on IRC) that there was some significance in how close Beta Aquilae, the GTVA 'capital', is to Sol, as far as jumps between them.

Dunno what, though...

 

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