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Offline asyikarea51

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What about the people outside the US with no credit card. There's retail physical media, but retail still needs it, and the number of games "conveniently deciding to need it" is rising, and then there's the idea of achievements, many of which I find useless and make no sense aside from providing an avenue for idiot emo kids to go ego-stroking when they have nothing apart from the damn game and slapping their face on the book, and... nevermind.

And then there's the issue on regional pricing...

I'd never call it awesome. It's a lesser evil, but evil's still evil.

The sad part starts when I want to, say, intro a game mod to people - how do I even play multiplayer when, ironically, I'm the only one with the original media and everyone's taken the "less cumbersome" route? And since the entire gaming population where I'm at practically doesn't give a **** about mods and plays only the most popular and/or popular but ****-arsed games (those ad-supported free games of recent times come to mind, and they're FULL of cheaters and hackers) to rock the nation, to them the "less cumbersome" method suits their purposes more than the ability to get a mod to work right via way of originals...

 

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The problem i have with steam is that it won't let you play until the game has downloaded the latest patches which renders offline mode pretty much useless because you have to spend ages waiting for the updates to come through before you can use it, even if you pause an update it still won't let you play. Then there is the whole physical versions requiring steam to play which i believe is plain wrong, esp when the box doesn't say it is a requirement to play! ie Silent Hill 5  :nervous:, and then there are release date problems for physical versions. I got Fear 2 a day after it was released in the UK and when i tried to install it and steam kept telling me the game is unavailable in the UK, i had to wait a week before i could play!

Steam could be brillant if is was just a bit more flexible and forgiving like Stardocks Impulse, who understand that not everyone in the world has a good internet connection and they don't punish you for it. I have never had a problem with that and you can play games straight away without have to download patches, it also doesn't require you to keep running the program in the back ground and it doesn't punish you for buying the Disc versions i.e Sins of Solar Empire.
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Offline S-99

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I'm just going to stick with free games from now on, and awesome redone source code projects like fso. I was thinking about giving away my orange box, which means i'd be giving away my steam account for free, but that's prohibited by the steam license agreement. Also the license agreement prohibits the sale of a steam account. Giving away the game cd wouldn't work since the cd key is tied into the steam account the game got registered with. If you ever see a used copy of orange box or another steam game for sale on ebay or something, don't buy it because it's an SOL deal since most people doing this don't realize the thing with the cd key and the steam account (and if they are selling it with the account credentials to play then that's illegal according to the steam license agreement). And you're not allowed to transfer games from one steam account to another after 90 days (you know, because steam prefers people to buy games than see one game get passed around by hundreds of people, if this could be done i'd help facilitate it (more exciting than tracking a chain email)).

I am trying to salvage something i'm treating like was my own investment (it was a christmas present), but idk if i can wait for those huge updates to finish on dialup just to play the games. I'm still really contemplating throwing it in the garbage. I still want to give portal a play through if i can, and at least play all of the hl2 episodes.

Big news, i was able to play hl2 for half an hour after i got the games installed a second time. And i was good, figured i'd spend the time beating hl2 before i started on the episodes. I save my game and quit, then steam found an update for hl2 :ick: Now i have to wait for huge updates on everything :mad: ****IT!!! The updates only take less time if you got like a 3megabit connection (considering that 128kbps dsl in alaska is like 60$ a month, you can understand why i opted for dialup which is half the price while at the same time still insanely expensive for such a lowly connection).

I do download big stuff on my dialup, it takes like a day or two, i can still surf the web in the mean time just a little slower (the only thing dialup has prevented is youtube). But, steam game updates i'm not really considering as being worth my time, as opposed to the quake4 linux executable so i could play the game on ultra quality (quake4 works perfectly in wine, except no matter what you do, the game is stuck in low quality graphics mode) to have some kind of stress test for what the gts 250 was really made for. The graphics test was great, quake4 still sucks (quake2 was way better for single and multi). Instead of game updates for steam, i'm putting my time in for nexuiz.

Consider the fact that the games on the orangebox dvd were released and working enough to play through, that's all i want to do. I don't care about having the latest updates for orangebox, the game on the dvd works good enough as is for a play through. I just want to play through as is, and then dumpster.

My grandma got me orangebox for christmas a couple of years ago (i haven't been able to play it until now actually). I love mom#2 a lot, and she gets me some really great stuff for christmas. In this case not so great (people aren't perfect), but i am going to play through all of the games at least once before it goes in the dumpster to honor the person who got it for me and somehow cherish this gift before trashing it. Because steam prohibits giving away of a steam account to a friend (steam even prohibits you logging into steam so a friend can play a game or two in your steam collection), i can't return the game, and i don't like the bull**** it entails, so really this is the only way i see about getting anything done...play, then trash...no possibility of play, then trash.

I'd go ahead and happily transfer the games to any one of your steam accounts freely. I'm still researching the ability to transfer. Somebody should be able to enjoy what my grandma got for me if it isn't going to be me enjoying it. And yes i'd still be *****ing about steam even if i had a faster connection.

EDIT: Yes i keep *****ing. But, for all of those with a steam account really ought to read the steam subscriber agreement. Just the "registration and activation" part is all you'll need to help you understand more about steam in the area of selling accounts, giving them away for free, or letting a buddy on to play a game or two (you'll also notice they hold you personally responsible for whatever happens on that steam account). I know it's a subscriber agreement, and i keep saying license, but i don't see how much different this is to an end user license agreement other than that steam says "subscriber" instead (and combine it with the fact that steam is a licensing service). Either way, this subscriber agreement tells you what you can and cannot do. Don't be like the guy who sold his steam account with 139 games for $1000. He obviously didn't read crap. Found here.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2010, 07:59:36 am by S-99 »
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Couldn't you just politely ask someone with the games in question on steam to send you a DVD after fully updating?

 

Offline S-99

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Why? I have the games on a dvd (idk what happened to the other dvd that has team fortress 2, but that's a game i don't give a crap about), but i still need to wait for them to update. The fact that i installed them first from the dvd means that i will spend a hell of a lot less time downloading stuff.
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SMBFD

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Offline TESLA

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I use steam, Impulse, GOG & Direct2drive.

I must say, that by far, steam sucks balls.


Direct2drive is sweet and easy to use as is Impulse & GOG. Ive had nothing but problems with steam before. Dont like their whole €1 = $1 either! Really pisses me off!!!
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Offline Fenrir

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What about the people outside the US with no credit card. There's retail physical media, but retail still needs it, and the number of games "conveniently deciding to need it" is rising, and then there's the idea of achievements, many of which I find useless and make no sense aside from providing an avenue for idiot emo kids to go ego-stroking when they have nothing apart from the damn game and slapping their face on the book, and... nevermind.
This might be a little off topic, but when done right achievements can improve a game's longevity or replay value by providing you with new ways to play the game. The new radio hunt achievement in Portal is a perfect example of this. But for every genius move like that, there are going to be the ho-hum achievements like "HAY U BEAT A LEVEL HERE'S AN ICON FOR NO APPARENT REASON"

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Steam sucks

Steam does indeed cause a high level of suction. 

that could come in handy

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Offline Mongoose

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No offense, S-99, but developers can't, and indeed shouldn't, continue to design with 56k users in mind in this day and age.  It's the 21st century...it's time to move on.  If Internet access in Alaska is really that abysmal, then maybe you'd be better off moving to a more civilized part of the country.  Lord knows you couldn't pay me enough to live in a place where DSL is the best option.

Also, I'd love to know how you'd think Valve would be able to enforce a ban on your buddy playing your games on your Steam account with your permission. :p

This might be a little off topic, but when done right achievements can improve a game's longevity or replay value by providing you with new ways to play the game. The new radio hunt achievement in Portal is a perfect example of this. But for every genius move like that, there are going to be the ho-hum achievements like "HAY U BEAT A LEVEL HERE'S AN ICON FOR NO APPARENT REASON"
This is a good point and deserves repeating.  I honestly don't mind even the "Beat this boss, here's an icon!" achievements, since they're a fun way of seeing just how many people have started playing a game yet never managed to beat it.  But the more creative achievements out there can add legitimate replayability to a game.  One of the best I've personally seen in that regard is the infamous "Little Rocket Man" for HL2 Episode 2.  Dragging that gnome along with me through the entire course of the game was a legitimate chore, but it gave me a real sense of accomplishment when I pulled it off.

 

Offline MP-Ryan

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I also have to chime in one more time to say Steam's customer service is generally excellent; I know multiple people who've had their accounts hacked and in every case they got them back with a minimum of effort.  The only complaints have been VAC bans against hacked accounts - but to be fair, if some hacking douchebag got VAC banned and all they had to do was claim their account was hacked to get it lifted that would kind of defeat the point of VAC bans to begin with.
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Why? I have the games on a dvd (idk what happened to the other dvd that has team fortress 2, but that's a game i don't give a crap about), but i still need to wait for them to update. The fact that i installed them first from the dvd means that i will spend a hell of a lot less time downloading stuff.

Steam allows you to back up games to DVD with all the patches and what not installed.  You'd still have to wait to download any new ones, but someone could certainly send you a dvd with fully updated software, then it's just a matter of copying it to your own steam directory.

 

Offline Mikes

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Impulse > Steam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Securom lol.

Frankly... in my opinion Steam isn't half bad. Compared to the crap most publishers put on retail DVDs these times Steam is outright user friendly or in the very least: "harmless" lol.

Impulse is even better tho, no argument ;)


 

Offline Sushi

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Impulse > Steam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Securom lol.

Frankly... in my opinion Steam isn't half bad. Compared to the crap most publishers put on retail DVDs these times Steam is outright user friendly or in the very least: "harmless" lol.

Impulse is even better tho, no argument ;)



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Offline asyikarea51

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Yeah I'm aware that some people like the presence of achievements, no argument from me there, I probably have a friend or two who actively (or passively) goes for them without me knowing about it. Still I disdain them big-time but I'll just keep the comments to myself. :doubt:

 

Offline Mongoose

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I certainly see something wrong with playing a game for the sole purpose of obtaining achievements, but I can't really find a good argument against the concept as a whole for a bit of extra fun.  They're essentially a way of standardizing the little tricks and challenges that people have been attempting since the start of gaming.

 

Offline TESLA

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Steam sucks

Steam does indeed cause a high level of suction. 

that could come in handy

Give it a ball and we've got a Dyson.

Dysons are cool
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Offline S-99

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No offense, S-99, but developers can't, and indeed shouldn't, continue to design with 56k users in mind in this day and age.  It's the 21st century...it's time to move on.  If Internet access in Alaska is really that abysmal, then maybe you'd be better off moving to a more civilized part of the country.  Lord knows you couldn't pay me enough to live in a place where DSL is the best option.

Also, I'd love to know how you'd think Valve would be able to enforce a ban on your buddy playing your games on your Steam account with your permission. :p
That's true with the whole 56k argument there. It was just part of my *****ing that after several hours of installing the games (decompressing the game archives for orangebox really does take forever) and breaking into my old account that i have to wait for all of the updates to download over my type of connection before i can play. This just really me wishing that i could pause the updates and be able to play the games in the mean time.

Do more research on alaska, this is an awesome place. There is also cable internet in alaska, but they don't have it in the neighborhood i live in right now. I find alaska to be a great deal civilized thank you. Lord knows you probably wouldn't know how to change a habit or two or temporarily forgo a luxury.

I didn't show off that i thought that valve would be able to tell if i logged into steam and let a buddy play. Frankly, they'd never know. The point was how restrictive steam is for DRM. Since i don't get to enjoy the balloon (orangebox), then nobody will be able to...baloon goes pop (orangebox in the trash).

If i were to give my orangebox away with the steam account, you wouldn't find me sitting comfy at at all. There's plenty of details about you on your steam account that you don't get to change back. I take the handling of my personal information very seriously. But, then again, we do live in a day and age where people don't think about how good of an idea anonymity on the internet is.
Steam allows you to back up games to DVD with all the patches and what not installed.  You'd still have to wait to download any new ones, but someone could certainly send you a dvd with fully updated software, then it's just a matter of copying it to your own steam directory.
That's actually very awesome, but an install dvd in this case would only be useful in saving yourself some download time (steam watches over it's games like the little kid who doesn't want to share).

The other thing about steam that's really dumb is that among being a form of DRM. And the restrictions on letting anyone else use your accont. Is that steam is designed to prevent second sales (prevention of your steam account popping up in the used games section of a store).
Every pilot's goal is to rise up in the ranks and go beyond their purpose to a place of command on a very big ship. Like the colossus; to baseball bat everyone.

SMBFD

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Offline Fenrir

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Steam has its ups and downs, but in my experience the positives have outweighed the negatives, particularly when it comes to multiplayer games. I still prefer my single player games to be untethered to an internet connection (or a not-always-functional offline mode) if I can at all help it, but I'll nab a game for cheap during the sales regardless.

Also, lookie here. Steam and Source games for the Mac next month.

 

Offline S-99

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You could always just use wine for mac if you want steam on mac right now. Steam and steam games run superbly through wine (it's the way i need to run them). Good thing steam is porting, but why wait?
Every pilot's goal is to rise up in the ranks and go beyond their purpose to a place of command on a very big ship. Like the colossus; to baseball bat everyone.

SMBFD

I won't use google for you.

An0n sucks my Jesus ring.