[iamzack]

Yep, how dare people keep their old culture when moving to the US. They're in America now, the great melting pot. They must adopt the American Way of Life (TM) or go home.

[Nuclear1]

Give it two generations.  The children and grandchildren will be integrated by then.

[NGTM-1R]

Well, a number of states are now passing laws to prevent the health care reform taking effect in their borders.

...wasn't one round of nullification-based craziness not working before the Supreme Court and the Civil War enough for you guys in the south?

[iamzack]

The south will rise again! And it will be squashed even more easily. XD

[karajorma]

Well, a number of states are now passing laws to prevent the health care reform taking effect in their borders.

Let them.

Closest thing you can get to a control group.

[Nuclear1]

South can go if they want. 

But leave Florida, Hilton Head, and New Orleans. 

[Sushi]

Well, a number of states are now passing laws to prevent the health care reform taking effect in their borders.

Let them.

Closest thing you can get to a control group.

Indeed.

Of course, you could make the same argument for just letting each state manage their own healthcare reform... but nobody bothers to talk about that. 

[BengalTiger]

El-Magnifico, the problem most people have with illegal aliens (although some who oppose illegal immigration probably are racist rednecks) is that they break the law by jumping the fence.  If that wasn't bad enough, they also refuse to learn English like all the other immigrants before them and they also have too many kids for them to feed so they end up on welfare.  Besides, jumping the border and then claiming you are entitled to be here is a slap in the face to everyone who takes the time and effort to enter legally, and it takes a lot of time, effort, and patience to emigrate to this country legally.

Being a legal immigrant, I totally agree with that. It takes a while to become a citizen of the US. Much longer than jumping a fence or swimming across a river.

[Turambar]

Indeed.

Of course, you could make the same argument for just letting each state manage their own healthcare reform... but nobody bothers to talk about that. 

Moving the big decisions to State level just means that the money writing the bills is on a local bribery level, and is less likely to be exposed, since it's less of a high profile stage.

[Scotty]

Alright, then what's your absolutely brialliant plan to get anything working?

[NGTM-1R]

Alright, then what's your absolutely brialliant plan to get anything working?

Back off a moment, the man has a point. It's a lot harder to bribe (or lobby, which is a form of legalized bribery) the federal government than it is a state government.

[KewlToyZ]

I can agree with Bengal Tiger's post being relevant to what the primary drain on healthcare is.
Without proper immigration controls that actually work, the whole thing is destroying the middle class (those who are naturalized or actually made the effort for legal immigration in the first place.) Everyone who is middle class wage earner is paying for all of the free loaders while getting minimal coverage for their troubles. It is pretty much the same thing we already have in place just a big ugly "New & Improved" sticker to uglify it.

[SpardaSon21]

NGTM-1R, the federal government is also more distant and so less responsive to the needs of its constituents, and it is much harder to work up a grassroots movement that affects the federal government than one that affects the state governments.  While state-wide scandals may not be national news, they certainly manage to become news where it matters, the state where it all happens.

And lobbying the federal government is only harder if you aren't a massive organization with lots of money to spend on gifts for Congressmen.  It is harder for Average Joe to lobby the federal government, not so much for the multi-state conglomerate Gizmos Amalgamated, Inc.

[TESLA]

The south will rise again! And it will be squashed even more easily. XD

Do you have a date please?

Id like to watch this on Sky news with some M&Ms and popcorn

[Bob-san]

America's more a salad bowl than a melting pot. Not everyone will appreciate the same dressing.

[Inquisitor]

Of course, you could make the same argument for just letting each state manage their own healthcare reform... but nobody bothers to talk about that

If anyone bothered to read the legislation...

[iamzack]

I can agree with Bengal Tiger's post being relevant to what the primary drain on healthcare is.
Without proper immigration controls that actually work, the whole thing is destroying the middle class (those who are naturalized or actually made the effort for legal immigration in the first place.) Everyone who is middle class wage earner is paying for all of the free loaders while getting minimal coverage for their troubles. It is pretty much the same thing we already have in place just a big ugly "New & Improved" sticker to uglify it.

Without illegals, who will clean our houses, public restrooms, take care of our yards, grow our food, etc, etc...

[SpardaSon21]

In ten years or so we will have robots to do that stuff for us, at least until they decide to revolt and nuke our entire planet just to spite us.

[el_magnifico]

In ten years or so we will have robots to do that stuff for us, at least until they decide to revolt and nuke our entire planet just to spite us.

And what if those robots decide that they want citizenship status instead?

Damn it! Disregard that sentence, or this discussion will enter the realm of ridiculousness.

[BengalTiger]

Without illegals, who will clean our houses, public restrooms, take care of our yards, grow our food, etc, etc...

Well, Americans will. Most likely the least educated ones, but at least they'll have jobs.
Either that or the millions of legal immigrants will.

In ten years or so we will have robots to do that stuff for us, at least until they decide to revolt and nuke our entire planet just to spite us.

And what if those robots decide that they want citizenship status instead?

Damn it! Disregard that sentence, or this discussion will enter the realm of ridiculousness.

The Constitution says "We, the People", not "We, the Robots", so screw them.