[Dark RevenantX]

No thread on this yet, so yeah.

ACTA (Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement), to sum up, was a secretly-drafted agreement/treaty/thing between Japan, US, and the EU.  It's goal is to criminalize copyright infringement and counterfeiting and allow for police searches, investigations, and follow-ups to copyright-infringement acts that have or MAY have been committed.  Computer scans and other searches, for example, would be made on any kind of suspicion of pirating.

ACTA was leaked, however, and is causing all hell to break loose.  I know that the Obama administration plans to use it as an executive agreement, putting as much of ACTA in place as possible without changing US law - and thus not requiring congressional approval.  The Digital Millennium Copyright Act basically allows most, if not all, of the ACTA policies simply because the former is so vague and is currently a law.

If you want to see the document for yourself, I uploaded the leaked version to my site: ACTA Leaked PDF

Discussion?  Despair/anger?  The apocalypse is coming?  Big Brother is watching you?

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Well crap.

[Inquisitor]

there has been a thread on this, pretty sure of that.

And how exactly do you know that the Obama administration will do this thing?

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yeah, even has the same name:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=61955.0

[Scotty]

This is all hell breaking loose?  First I've heard of it, even counting that old thread.

[Nuke]

ACTA was leaked, however, and is causing all hell to break loose.  I know that the Obama administration plans to use it as an executive agreement, putting as much of ACTA in place as possible without changing US law - and thus not requiring congressional approval.  The Digital Millennium Copyright Act basically allows most, if not all, of the ACTA policies simply because the former is so vague and is currently a law.

this is why i voted republican in the last election

[SpardaSon21]

So Obama is planning to circumvent the constitutional requirement that all treaties be ratified by the Senate by implementing many of the ACTA provisions through executive order?

Also, from what you are saying DarkRevenant many of the provisions of ACTA would seem to violate 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure, and nothing in the United States overrides the U.S. Constitution.

[The E]

ACTA was leaked, however, and is causing all hell to break loose.  I know that the Obama administration plans to use it as an executive agreement, putting as much of ACTA in place as possible without changing US law - and thus not requiring congressional approval.  The Digital Millennium Copyright Act basically allows most, if not all, of the ACTA policies simply because the former is so vague and is currently a law.

this is why i voted republican in the last election

Don't tell me that the party that brought you people the joys of the DMCA would have been against ACTA.

[SpardaSon21]

When was the DMCA signed?

[The E]

Okay, after some research, it turns out that the DMCA was signed in 98, under Clinton.

However, I didn't see Bush making any effort to remove that POS.

[SpardaSon21]

You don't see Obama and his Democratic Congress making any efforts to repeal the Patriot Act, do you?

[General Battuta]

one sec

[iamzack]

You don't see Obama and his Democratic Congress making any efforts to repeal the Patriot Act, do you?

Obama and most Democrats only pretend to be liberal. They're mostly moderates. Succckkkk.

[General Battuta]

one sec

I hope nobody saw the un-edited version of this post because I punked myself hardcore.

[SpardaSon21]

You don't see Obama and his Democratic Congress making any efforts to repeal the Patriot Act, do you?

Obama and most Democrats only pretend to be liberal. They're mostly moderates. Succckkkk.

Zack, you do realize that pre-FDR, someone who called himself a liberal would have been in favor of free markets and maximum individual liberty?  You can see vestiges of this whenever economists talk about liberal market policies.

[Thaeris]

So Obama is planning to circumvent the constitutional requirement that all treaties be ratified by the Senate by implementing many of the ACTA provisions through executive order?

Also, from what you are saying DarkRevenant many of the provisions of ACTA would seem to violate 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure, and nothing in the United States overrides the U.S. Constitution.

Hmmm... Well, apart from my sentiments which were appropriate (but the context in which they were expressed were not) in the last thread on this, I have two solutions:

(a.) Use as much open-source material as possible.

(b.) Let's revolt! It's what Thomas Jefferson would have done!

...WWTJD?

 

[iamzack]

You don't see Obama and his Democratic Congress making any efforts to repeal the Patriot Act, do you?

Obama and most Democrats only pretend to be liberal. They're mostly moderates. Succckkkk.

Zack, you do realize that pre-FDR, someone who called himself a liberal would have been in favor of free markets and maximum individual liberty?  You can see vestiges of this whenever economists talk about liberal market policies.

And now conservatives want liberty for corporations and liberals want liberty for individuals. So what?

[Thaeris]

"Generalities" in politics and parties is a fail system...

[Dark RevenantX]

there has been a thread on this, pretty sure of that.

And how exactly do you know that the Obama administration will do this thing?

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yeah, even has the same name:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=61955.0

It was only leaked recently.  And that thread was a year and a day old when I posted this one.


Also, I may have overstated "all hell breaking loose", but this is something that would cause a more unanimous backlash than the healthcare bill.  A lot of states would have something to say about it, and thus would sue the government, bringing it to the supreme court, at which point it would be found to violate, as someone said earlier, your fourth amendment rights.  If they really tried hard, they could probably find some 1st amendment violations among some others, as well.

[Scotty]

If it was only leaked recently, how the hell do we have a thread with the same name about the same thing that says the same thing that is over a year old?

I don't buy it.

(Didn't we have another one of these pop up back in October or something too?  I think I remember another of these, but after the linked thread.)

[SpardaSon21]

WARNING: HEALTH CARE DERAILMENT IMMINENT!!!

Zack, Obamacare with its mandate on individuals to purchase government-approved health insurance plans or face a fine, as well as increased regulation on small-business owners about them providing health insurance they may not be able to afford is definitely not pro-liberty, especially since small-business owners are the ones who create prosperity and wealth through their entrepreneurship.