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Re: Fox News tries to prove Tea Party activists not extremists... and fails
oh... I thought he meant that antibiotics directly influence resistance in bacteria. My argument was that antibiotics merely act as an environment in which resistant strains can thrive as compared to susceptible bacterial strains, as more of an indirect effect as part of natural selection.

the fact that resistant strains were resistant to said antibiotics were just coincidental as part of random genetic mutation, not by the antibiotics themselves. They just got lucky, and just happened to have a superior mechanism for disabling or reducing the effect of antibiotics, that's all.
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Quite so. But without the selective pressure, the trait will never evolve (using the technical description of evolution as a change in allele frequency in a population.)

 

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Humans find it hard to think on Evolutionary terms though, it's not very comforting for someone to know that, although they are dying from MS, that in a few million years time, we will probably be immune to it. I suppose there are arguments for and against the use of medication, from a purely personal level, it can save your life, from a longer-term, wider field point of view, it might be a fuse that we've lit, and we aren't even sure what the barrel contains. Bacteria, at least those that are frequently in contact with humans are no longer entirely at the whims of natural selection, as we come up with more and more powerful treatments, so the survival conditions get harsher, which produces more and more hardy strains of bacteria.

It's sort of like an Arms Race, it's been theorized that it would be impossible for a disease to wipe out any species entirely, because immune systems were evolving as quickly as the diseases, personally, I think that's where the future of medicine lay, not in supplying the body with a pill that kills the disease, but more on innoculation and resistance to the disease in the first place. I think if we become too reliant on 'pills', we are leaving the immune system too vulnerable to the more hardy strains of disease.

 
Re: Fox News tries to prove Tea Party activists not extremists... and fails
I have no ideological objections to taxing corporations, though you don't want to kill them.

No, of course not, but they can afford to bear the burden...the rest of us can't.   And it's frankly unfair they punish us for their taxes being raised.
But that's the way it is Nuclear.  Its unfair certainly, but honestly I'm not sure how much differently you would act if you were running a Fortune 500 company.  Backstabbing and hostile takeovers are just business as usual at that level, and if you want to swim with sharks, you better grow some teeth.
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I have no ideological objections to taxing corporations, though you don't want to kill them.

No, of course not, but they can afford to bear the burden...the rest of us can't.   And it's frankly unfair they punish us for their taxes being raised.
But that's the way it is Nuclear.  Its unfair certainly, but honestly I'm not sure how much differently you would act if you were running a Fortune 500 company.  Backstabbing and hostile takeovers are just business as usual at that level, and if you want to swim with sharks, you better grow some teeth.

You've argued that 'this is the way things are' but supplied no reasons as to why this is the way things should be.

Not to get all patriotic here, but that line of reasoning about taxation would have kept us a British colony.

 
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I think if we become too reliant on 'pills', we are leaving the immune system too vulnerable to the more hardy strains of disease.

That's true. That's why doctors (at least where I live anyway, here in the Philippines) are being taught rational drug use and to stop overprescribing the most powerful antibiotic for something that can be cured with a cheaper, still effective narrower spectrum antibiotic, provided that the illness requires antibiotic therapy in the first place.

I've seen time and time again in my practice patients who come to me and expect me to prescribe a pill for something that doesn't really need a pill to cure. (self limiting viral illnesses like the common cold for example.) We sometimes underestimate the power of our own immune system to adapt and beat off invaders. That doesn't mean we should stop using antibiotics altogether, instead we should choose when to use them and use them wisely.

Not sure how it's being taught in the US, but as our medical curriculum was patterned after an American system, I'm guessing it's fairly close?

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But without the selective pressure, the trait will never evolve (using the technical description of evolution as a change in allele frequency in a population.)

Yes, I would say that such traits won't "evolve" given that definition, but random mutations will still arise anyway. Without the selective pressure, resistant strains may still exist, and may still have a chance to thrive (this would however be slowed down considerably given that it's random, and that there is no advantage or disadvantage for the strain to exist)
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That's pretty close to how it is here too.  Decidedly not helped by the ridiculous amount of advertisements for prescription medication that (no source here) make people think they need it for some reason or another.  Personally, I haven't taken a pill of any kind since about a year ago, tylenol/asprin included.


 
Re: Fox News tries to prove Tea Party activists not extremists... and fails
I have no ideological objections to taxing corporations, though you don't want to kill them.

No, of course not, but they can afford to bear the burden...the rest of us can't.   And it's frankly unfair they punish us for their taxes being raised.
But that's the way it is Nuclear.  Its unfair certainly, but honestly I'm not sure how much differently you would act if you were running a Fortune 500 company.  Backstabbing and hostile takeovers are just business as usual at that level, and if you want to swim with sharks, you better grow some teeth.

You've argued that 'this is the way things are' but supplied no reasons as to why this is the way things should be.

Not to get all patriotic here, but that line of reasoning about taxation would have kept us a British colony.
I don't support it at all, and I wish it would change, but I don't see a way to change it, unless you can think of a way to force companies to avoid shifting costs onto others.
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[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
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[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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The only pills I take are anti-histamines to knock down these really nasty allergies of mine, and only those twice a year for about 2 weeks.
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No, of course not, but they can afford to bear the burden...the rest of us can't.   And it's frankly unfair they punish us for their taxes being raised.
But that's the way it is Nuclear.  Its unfair certainly, but honestly I'm not sure how much differently you would act if you were running a Fortune 500 company.  Backstabbing and hostile takeovers are just business as usual at that level, and if you want to swim with sharks, you better grow some teeth.
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Re: Fox News tries to prove Tea Party activists not extremists... and fails
I just thought I'd post in this thread to show how diabolical certain corporations are.

There was once a corporation that settled on a contract with the government to help relocate thousands of refugees during the aftermath of some war. They actually hired thugs to not only attack their competing corporations, but also to, under the guise as pirates, attack the very government that they were working with. For a while, this played right into their hands. The government gave the corporation more and more control over a given area. The corporation even slaughtered innocent civilians to accomplish its ends. In one appalling example, they prodded union workers into a riot just so they could assassinate the union leaders in the chaos.

It was only due to a minor slipup that the government found out the truth about this corporation. Even by then, the corporation developed such a huge private army that it proved a formidable match for the government itself. While the corporation slaughtered innocent civilians at a whim, the government ended up treating the corporation's executives to a fair trial. I was there, I even had to protect these bastards.... made me sick to my stomach it did!

I believe the name started with an M....

 

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Microsoft?

 

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No not Microsoft.

Come on guys, you should be able to guess this.  ;)

 

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Derelict reference.

  

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Well that would be why, I never played Derelict

 

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Well that would be why, I never played Derelict

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I've never played any of the campaigns

 

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It says you've been registered since 2001. This is madness!  :shaking:

 

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Sweet Jesus, I can feel a breeze from that reference whizzing over my head.  Well-played. :p